rec.autos.simulators

by **Robert Upwar** » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:42:00

I got to thinking that if CART was smart, (and there's no saying they
are), and they're still around next season, they'd contact Papy and have
them tweak the physics model of N2003/FE to represent a Champ car (however
that may be harder then I imagine). Have them brew up the CART tracks, and
then release it as Champ car 2003 (or something to that effect). It's a
win/win/win situation. Papy would be able to use it already researched &
programmed engine for another release therefor getting a little more return
on their original investment. CART would certainly benefit from the added
exposure and increased fan awareness of the series, and as the public would
get a great open wheel sim, with online capabilities (which we really
haven't got yet), and some cross over of tracks between the two games (once
the better minds than mine have figured it out) a la Nascar 1/Indycar Racing
2 way back in the day.

Bobby

by **Jason Moy** » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:45:50

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:42:00 GMT, "Robert Upward"

> I got to thinking that if CART was smart, (and there's no saying they
>are), and they're still around next season, they'd contact Papy and have
>them tweak the physics model of N2003/FE to represent a Champ car (however
>that may be harder then I imagine). Have them brew up the CART tracks, and
>then release it as Champ car 2003 (or something to that effect). It's a
>win/win/win situation. Papy would be able to use it already researched &
>programmed engine for another release therefor getting a little more return
>on their original investment. CART would certainly benefit from the added
>exposure and increased fan awareness of the series, and as the public would
>get a great open wheel sim, with online capabilities (which we really
>haven't got yet), and some cross over of tracks between the two games (once
>the better minds than mine have figured it out) a la Nascar 1/Indycar Racing
>2 way back in the day.

Does Papyrus still have rights to the CART series? I remember reading
a press release circa 1999 stating that they had purchased rights for
a CART sim.

Jason

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:58:09

No they let those rights expire, I THINK about the time of Nascar99. To
my knowledge, there is an Arcade license granted to Midway(Cart Fury) and
the Champweb team had explored getting CART all sewn up legally for it's mod
of F1 2001. The original release date of that was supposed to be late this
year or early next, but I haven't heard a word of PR from them in a long
long long long long time.
dave henrie

> On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:42:00 GMT, "Robert Upward"

> > I got to thinking that if CART was smart, (and there's no saying they
> >are), and they're still around next season, they'd contact Papy and have
> >them tweak the physics model of N2003/FE to represent a Champ car
(however
> >that may be harder then I imagine). Have them brew up the CART tracks,
and
> >then release it as Champ car 2003 (or something to that effect). It's a
> >win/win/win situation. Papy would be able to use it already researched &
> >programmed engine for another release therefor getting a little more
return
> >on their original investment. CART would certainly benefit from the
added
> >exposure and increased fan awareness of the series, and as the public
would
> >get a great open wheel sim, with online capabilities (which we really
> >haven't got yet), and some cross over of tracks between the two games
(once
> >the better minds than mine have figured it out) a la Nascar 1/Indycar
Racing
> >2 way back in the day.

> Does Papyrus still have rights to the CART series? I remember reading
> a press release circa 1999 stating that they had purchased rights for
> a CART sim.

> Jason

by **Olav Malmi** » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:19:20

> No they let those rights expire, I THINK about the time of Nascar99. To
> my knowledge, there is an Arcade license granted to Midway(Cart Fury) and
> the Champweb team had explored getting CART all sewn up legally for it's mod
> of F1 2001. The original release date of that was supposed to be late this
> year or early next, but I haven't heard a word of PR from them in a long
> long long long long time.
> dave henrie

Well, if the licence is expired, and noone holds a exclusive one
(which i doubt since it's some time now since the Midway crap) I guess
a new one shouldn't be too hard to arrange. I guess that if CART and
Papy want a sim made, licencing would be a mere formality, not a problem.

> > On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:42:00 GMT, "Robert Upward"

> > > I got to thinking that if CART was smart, (and there's no saying they
> > >are), and they're still around next season, they'd contact Papy and have
> > >them tweak the physics model of N2003/FE to represent a Champ car
> (however
> > >that may be harder then I imagine). Have them brew up the CART tracks,
> and
> > >then release it as Champ car 2003 (or something to that effect). It's a
> > >win/win/win situation. Papy would be able to use it already researched &
> > >programmed engine for another release therefor getting a little more
> return
> > >on their original investment. CART would certainly benefit from the
> added
> > >exposure and increased fan awareness of the series, and as the public
> would
> > >get a great open wheel sim, with online capabilities (which we really
> > >haven't got yet), and some cross over of tracks between the two games
> (once
> > >the better minds than mine have figured it out) a la Nascar 1/Indycar
> Racing
> > >2 way back in the day.

> > Does Papyrus still have rights to the CART series? I remember reading
> > a press release circa 1999 stating that they had purchased rights for
> > a CART sim.

> > Jason

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by **Brian Tat** » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:18:49

Tried to sell this idea in the CART PR meetings a few year's ago. I think
sims are a great way of exposing your sport to new and old fans. I can't
count the number of guys that got turned onto Nascar by playing the Papyrus
sim first.

Too much red tape in upper management to get things like this done.

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 14 Nov 2002 23:43:23

> I got to thinking that if CART was smart, (and there's no saying they
> are), and they're still around next season, they'd contact Papy and have
> them tweak the physics model of N2003/FE to represent a Champ car (however
> that may be harder then I imagine). Have them brew up the CART tracks, and
> then release it as Champ car 2003 (or something to that effect). It's a
> win/win/win situation. Papy would be able to use it already researched &
> programmed engine for another release therefor getting a little more return
> on their original investment. CART would certainly benefit from the added
> exposure and increased fan awareness of the series, and as the public would
> get a great open wheel sim, with online capabilities (which we really
> haven't got yet), and some cross over of tracks between the two games (once
> the better minds than mine have figured it out) a la Nascar 1/Indycar Racing
> 2 way back in the day.

AussieV8's !!!

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by **MadDAW** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:29:08

From the stuff I read Papyrus wants to do dual platform games. The way I
took that is what works on a console and PC would be basically the same.
While I'm no programmer I would bet the current engine behind NR2002 would
not run well on a console like a PS2. Now Thunder is different between PC
and console so maybe they would still do it that way, but that's not what I
got out of it.

With that said what I'd like to see happen (which has been brought up
before) is doing like ID and licensing the engine out. That would help a lot
of developers cut costs and we could get many different motorsports titles
from various developers. You guys could get your CART sim while others could
get a Sports Car, Trans AM Legends, or even an Aussie V8 title

MadDAWG

by **Tim** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:53:41

Brian,

I am just curious if what you're saying is, did CART officially decline to do a sim game, or it never got to a point where someone actually said no.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

Tried to sell this idea in the CART PR meetings a few year's ago. I think
sims are a great way of exposing your sport to new and old fans. I can't
count the number of guys that got turned onto Nascar by playing the Papyrus
sim first.

Too much red tape in upper management to get things like this done.

by **Brian Tat** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:41:16

Kind of both. I tried to come at it from the PR side. You see guys like
Little E playing a Nascar game and fans naturally are going to want to play
with what a driver does. A lot of CART drivers and Atlantic guys spend time
playing games/sims so I thought it was a good PR angle. First there would
have to be a realistic CART sim for them to play, which never got past the
marketing/developer layer. Marketing really did not get behind the project
or they never really understood it and the developers were never convinced a
"realistic" CART sim would sell well enough to make it worth while. I put
the proper people in touch with each other and that is where it ended. :<

No one ever really said no. It guess it was more of a case of two parties
not sure how to pull off a project like that, and who would pay for it.

At the time, I thought a sim with a career mode would have been killer.
Start in Atlantic and run the 12 race schedule. Move up to Indy Lights and
another 12 race season before getting into Champcars. Since Atlantic and
Lights ran about the same tracks, it would have been easy to incorporate
them into the sim.

I am just curious if what you're saying is, did CART officially decline to
do a sim game, or it never got to a point where someone actually said no.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

Tried to sell this idea in the CART PR meetings a few year's ago. I think
sims are a great way of exposing your sport to new and old fans. I can't
count the number of guys that got turned onto Nascar by playing the
Papyrus
sim first.

Too much red tape in upper management to get things like this done.

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:32:34

I sent an letter to Bobby Rahal when he was the interim CART leader. I
suggested that a Papy based sim be used as a tool for each city to help
market the races. Cleveland could give-away copies of Cart2 with just the
Cleveland track, and each organizer could use the sim to spur sales...or as
an added value to the price of the tickets. Give the sucker away..but use
it for marketing....Never heard back. :)
dave henrie

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:38:12

To often lately we are seeing the same game title being programed by two
entirely separate teams. The console version often is greatly different
from the PC. So Papyus' vision to craft multiplatform games seems to fly
against the current trend
dave henrie

by **Jason Moy** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:51:13

You wouldn't happen to have Pook's email so we could start a letter
writing campaign, eh? =)

Jason

by **ymenar** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:04:29

> I got to thinking that if CART was smart, (and there's no saying they
> are), and they're still around next season, they'd contact Papy and have
> them tweak the physics model of N2003/FE to represent a Champ car (however
> that may be harder then I imagine). Have them brew up the CART tracks,
and
> then release it as Champ car 2003 (or something to that effect). It's a
> win/win/win situation. Papy would be able to use it already researched &
> programmed engine for another release therefor getting a little more
return
> on their original investment. CART would certainly benefit from the added
> exposure and increased fan awareness of the series, and as the public
would
> get a great open wheel sim, with online capabilities (which we really
> haven't got yet), and some cross over of tracks between the two games
(once
> the better minds than mine have figured it out) a la Nascar 1/Indycar
Racing
> 2 way back in the day.

You know, that's not how the *** industry works. It's the developer who
has to *pay* CART so that they let them have a license. Not the other way
around :) CART here benefits double, from the money they get from the
licensing and the exposure they get (free advertising) on the shelves of PC
*** stores.

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by **ymenar** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:06:17

> [...]Move up to Indy Lights

Hey that would have been pretty boring. At least ISI's game engine could
have served for it's multiplayer, considering the low number of cars on
track ;)

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by **Robert Upwar** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:50:38

Another excellent idea.

Bobby

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