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Viper Racing Questions.....

CombatWomba

Viper Racing Questions.....

by CombatWomba » Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Well, my viper racing leagues next race is at dayton, so i've been doing
some testing to crank out every hundreth of a second from my time.  I'm
currently down to a 1.02.08.....  So i raced against 1 car set at hard AI
for 3 laps.  Wow, he was hauling.  Where did he get all that hp from?  He
gets 2 seconds on me during acceleration, yet I consider my setups to be
pretty strong in this area.  After the race was over i have closed to within
0.7 seconds of him but am unable to make a move for the lead.  I check the
lap times and see that i beat him on both hotlaps, but he had me by 2
seconds on the first lap.  which leads me to my first question....
1)  Where is the comp getting all this acceleration from?  I've set my
ratios so the RPM is always between 4600 and 6000.  I'm getting slight
wheelspin, but not so much that the car veers off, yet the comp still gets a
descent lead.

After comparing lap times i check over the top speeds.  WTF is this?!?!  The
comp is pulling 183-184 yet my top has been 182.1 so far.  Where is all this
speed coming from?  I have spoilers set to 0,0 and no toe-in front or rear.
I also tried using the old nascar trick of making the suspension real soft
so that the car will sink down, displaying less spoiler and hence less drag,
but no dice.  The soft suspension makes the car too mushy to drive.  I tried
cranking up the sway bars to make it more responsive, but it created a
really wierd feel.  A mushy, yet quick snappy car....really strange concept.
So how can i squeeze out a few more mph?

Question 3 (sorry for this becoming an epic)
Can i get numerical results when using the anylize feature in replay?  The
bars are really quite useless in determining weather your setup change has
squeezed out another ounce of lateral grip or acceleration.
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Kill one and your a ***er, kill many and your a conqueror, kill em all
and your a god.........
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CombatWomba

Viper Racing Questions.....

by CombatWomba » Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:00:00

now this tracks starting to annoy me!  got my time down and i ran two
consecutive 1:02.01's!!!!  I just need to find 2 more hundreths of a second
to brake this stupid 1 second barrier!  Any ideas?
<snipped a buncha my own stuff>
Gary Wilshir

Viper Racing Questions.....

by Gary Wilshir » Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Hey, Combat, could you post your setups for Dayton, pls. My best times so far
are 1:02:72 at 181.9 mph. And yeah, I did notice at the Hard setting, the lead
cars were clocking 183-184 mph.

TIA, Gary

|
|Well, my viper racing leagues next race is at dayton, so i've been doing
|some testing to crank out every hundreth of a second from my time.  I'm
|currently down to a 1.02.08.....  So i raced against 1 car set at hard AI
|for 3 laps.  Wow, he was hauling.  Where did he get all that hp from?  He
|gets 2 seconds on me during acceleration, yet I consider my setups to be
|pretty strong in this area.  After the race was over i have closed to within
|0.7 seconds of him but am unable to make a move for the lead.  I check the
|lap times and see that i beat him on both hotlaps, but he had me by 2
|seconds on the first lap.  which leads me to my first question....
|1)  Where is the comp getting all this acceleration from?  I've set my
|ratios so the RPM is always between 4600 and 6000.  I'm getting slight
|wheelspin, but not so much that the car veers off, yet the comp still gets a
|descent lead.
|
|After comparing lap times i check over the top speeds.  WTF is this?!?!  The
|comp is pulling 183-184 yet my top has been 182.1 so far.  Where is all this
|speed coming from?  I have spoilers set to 0,0 and no toe-in front or rear.
|I also tried using the old nascar trick of making the suspension real soft
|so that the car will sink down, displaying less spoiler and hence less drag,
|but no dice.  The soft suspension makes the car too mushy to drive.  I tried
|cranking up the sway bars to make it more responsive, but it created a
|really wierd feel.  A mushy, yet quick snappy car....really strange concept.
|So how can i squeeze out a few more mph?
|
|Question 3 (sorry for this becoming an epic)
|Can i get numerical results when using the anylize feature in replay?  The
|bars are really quite useless in determining weather your setup change has
|squeezed out another ounce of lateral grip or acceleration.
|--
|Kill one and your a ***er, kill many and your a conqueror, kill em all
|and your a god.........
|Remove SPAMSUXALOT from address to reply
|
|

PQT I

Viper Racing Questions.....

by PQT I » Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:00:00


> Well, my viper racing leagues next race is at dayton, so i've been doing
> some testing to crank out every hundreth of a second from my time.  I'm
> currently down to a 1.02.08.....  So i raced against 1 car set at hard AI
> for 3 laps.  Wow, he was hauling.  Where did he get all that hp from?  He
> gets 2 seconds on me during acceleration, yet I consider my setups to be
> pretty strong in this area.  After the race was over i have closed to within
> 0.7 seconds of him but am unable to make a move for the lead.  I check the
> lap times and see that i beat him on both hotlaps, but he had me by 2
> seconds on the first lap.  which leads me to my first question....
> 1)  Where is the comp getting all this acceleration from?  I've set my
> ratios so the RPM is always between 4600 and 6000.  I'm getting slight
> wheelspin, but not so much that the car veers off, yet the comp still gets a
> descent lead.

> I've noticed basically the same thing in the career mode.  No matter how well
> I qualify at any track there is always 1 or 2 cars that will out accelerate me
> to the first turn and I spend half the race getting my position back and the
> other half trying to pass the next car.  Also, after the race the results
> indicate that 1 or2 cars that I have beaten had much better top end speed than
> me.  Cann't say that I really understand what is going on either. Paul

Caste

Viper Racing Questions.....

by Caste » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Yeh ive had the same problem, Ive only managed to get down to 1:23 and they
still run off and leave me even in easy AI mode. I think all my gearing is
correct .   Strange happenings...


Larr

Viper Racing Questions.....

by Larr » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Lay the spoiler all the way down.

Do NOT use traction control or Yaw control.  You are dead meat at Dayton
if you use them.

Use 3.4 as the rear-end ration.

Don't hit the wall, and you should keep up :)

-Larry


> Well, my viper racing leagues next race is at dayton, so i've been doing
> some testing to crank out every hundreth of a second from my time.  I'm
> currently down to a 1.02.08.....  So i raced against 1 car set at hard AI
> for 3 laps.  Wow, he was hauling.  Where did he get all that hp from?

Larr

Viper Racing Questions.....

by Larr » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I tend to start off in 2nd gear...  It really helps this!

-Larry


> If you smoke the tires at the start, you've blown a LOT of time.

Dhook4

Viper Racing Questions.....

by Dhook4 » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

>I tend to start off in 2nd gear...  It really helps this!

>-Larry


>> If you smoke the tires at the start, you've blown a LOT of time.

TRY THIS:   Put the car in gear and then step on the gas. Do not touch the
throttle at all before you put it in gear. You will NOT smoke the tires at all
doing it this way.

Doug.........Lifelong die hard Boston Bruins fan....Driving Sim racer....avid
Sam Adams drinker....3 Stooges fan....Proud American !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larr

Viper Racing Questions.....

by Larr » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00

This works in the Quick Race, and probably early in career, but once you
start buying goodies, and start monkeying with the gear ratio's in Pro,
this won't work any more.

You will get a foot or so, and then the torque will kick in, and it's
donut time!

:)

-Larry


> TRY THIS:   Put the car in gear and then step on the gas. Do not touch the
> throttle at all before you put it in gear. You will NOT smoke the tires at all
> doing it this way.


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