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P6 and Verite DMA problems...an explanation

Alex Fernande

P6 and Verite DMA problems...an explanation

by Alex Fernande » Fri, 20 Dec 1996 04:00:00



> >>Subject: RE: P6SNE bad Verite DMA performance?

> >>Hello Christopher,
> >>      The Pentium Pro processor has extremely poor I/O performance.  This is
> >>one of the reasons SCSI is always recommended.  The memory functions
> >>are optimize at the sacrifice of the I/O sub-systems.  There is not
> >>work about with this issue.

I'm having a hard time accepting this. I can't believe that Intel
Engineers
would be so stupid as to even cripple I/O performance in favor of memory
performance. Also, the above statement seems to me as a contradiction.
If
I/O performanace is so poor, why do they recommend a SCSI card? It
itself
is an I/O subsystem with some cards being able to do DMA transfers, ie.
bus
masters.

Is there another way to test DMA transfer speeds besides DMADIAG?

Alex

dangr..

P6 and Verite DMA problems...an explanation

by dangr.. » Fri, 20 Dec 1996 04:00:00


>On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:53:33 -0500, Alex Fernandez



>>> >>Subject: RE: P6SNE bad Verite DMA performance?

>>> >>Hello Christopher,
>>> >>      The Pentium Pro processor has extremely poor I/O performance.  This is
>>> >>one of the reasons SCSI is always recommended.  The memory functions
>>> >>are optimize at the sacrifice of the I/O sub-systems.  There is not
>>> >>work about with this issue.

>>I'm having a hard time accepting this. I can't believe that Intel
>>Engineers
>>would be so stupid as to even cripple I/O performance in favor of memory
>>performance. Also, the above statement seems to me as a contradiction.
>>If
>>I/O performanace is so poor, why do they recommend a SCSI card? It
>>itself
>>is an I/O subsystem with some cards being able to do DMA transfers, ie.
>>bus
>>masters.

>>Is there another way to test DMA transfer speeds besides DMADIAG?

>>Alex
>  SCSI devices require much less internention from the CPU. For
>instance some EIDE CD drives may consume as much as 50 % of your cpu's
>time. Not good. SCSI on the other hand uses much less. Can't remember
>the exact figures.
>  I think the reference to SCSI has nothing to do with the Reactor
>card. He was just refering to what is suggested for general I/O
>performance if you buy a PRO.

Now I'm confused doesn't SCSI use DMA so that it can release the CPU?
Isn't DMA performance the question.  I know that someone here can
explain this a little better.

It don't matter what you call a dog with no legs.

He won't come.

Boris Woerne

P6 and Verite DMA problems...an explanation

by Boris Woerne » Sat, 21 Dec 1996 04:00:00



> I'm having a hard time accepting this. I can't believe that Intel
> Engineers
> would be so stupid as to even cripple I/O performance in favor of memory
> performance. Also, the above statement seems to me as a contradiction.I've got the impression that the PPro has a poor PCI-Performance, because

it has a primary bus called GTL+, which is supposed to be good at
multiprocessing. It seems to be difficult to have both good multiprocessing
and PCI performance at once, and intel went for the first.
Besides, the _main_ memory performance isn't that great, compared to current
Pentium chipsets (~40-46 MB/s both). The on-chip 2nd-level-cache is the
thing that's really fast.

--
Ride on...

        Boris Woerner


Vincent Aldrid

P6 and Verite DMA problems...an explanation

by Vincent Aldrid » Sat, 21 Dec 1996 04:00:00

On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:53:33 -0500, Alex Fernandez




>> >>Subject: RE: P6SNE bad Verite DMA performance?

>> >>Hello Christopher,
>> >>      The Pentium Pro processor has extremely poor I/O performance.  This is
>> >>one of the reasons SCSI is always recommended.  The memory functions
>> >>are optimize at the sacrifice of the I/O sub-systems.  There is not
>> >>work about with this issue.

>I'm having a hard time accepting this. I can't believe that Intel
>Engineers
>would be so stupid as to even cripple I/O performance in favor of memory
>performance. Also, the above statement seems to me as a contradiction.
>If
>I/O performanace is so poor, why do they recommend a SCSI card? It
>itself
>is an I/O subsystem with some cards being able to do DMA transfers, ie.
>bus
>masters.

>Is there another way to test DMA transfer speeds besides DMADIAG?

>Alex

  SCSI devices require much less internention from the CPU. For
instance some EIDE CD drives may consume as much as 50 % of your cpu's
time. Not good. SCSI on the other hand uses much less. Can't remember
the exact figures.
  I think the reference to SCSI has nothing to do with the Reactor
card. He was just refering to what is suggested for general I/O
performance if you buy a PRO.

                   Vincent Aldridge

Been playing games on PC's since 1980

      I be the DOOM GOD ....  Bow to me....!!

Tom Hanse

P6 and Verite DMA problems...an explanation

by Tom Hanse » Sat, 21 Dec 1996 04:00:00

SCSI cards will use bus-mastering to transfer data - the CPU does not need
to do I/O for data transfer.  IDE requires the CPU to read the data via I/O
from the IDE controller.
/THansen

Keith & Cathy Bancrof

P6 and Verite DMA problems...an explanation

by Keith & Cathy Bancrof » Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:00:00


> On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:53:33 -0500, Alex Fernandez



> >> >>Subject: RE: P6SNE bad Verite DMA performance?

> >> >>Hello Christopher,
> >> >>      The Pentium Pro processor has extremely poor I/O performance.  This is
> >> >>one of the reasons SCSI is always recommended.  The memory functions
> >> >>are optimize at the sacrifice of the I/O sub-systems.  There is not
> >> >>work about with this issue.

> >I'm having a hard time accepting this. I can't believe that Intel
> >Engineers
> >would be so stupid as to even cripple I/O performance in favor of memory
> >performance. Also, the above statement seems to me as a contradiction.
> >If
> >I/O performanace is so poor, why do they recommend a SCSI card? It
> >itself
> >is an I/O subsystem with some cards being able to do DMA transfers, ie.
> >bus
> >masters.

> >Is there another way to test DMA transfer speeds besides DMADIAG?

> >Alex

>   SCSI devices require much less internention from the CPU. For
> instance some EIDE CD drives may consume as much as 50 % of your cpu's
> time. Not good. SCSI on the other hand uses much less. Can't remember
> the exact figures.
>   I think the reference to SCSI has nothing to do with the Reactor
> card. He was just refering to what is suggested for general I/O
> performance if you buy a PRO.

>                    Vincent Aldridge

> Been playing games on PC's since 1980

>       I be the DOOM GOD ....  Bow to me....!!

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> On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:53:33 -0500, Alex Fernandez



> >> >>Subject: RE: P6SNE bad Verite DMA performance?

> >> >>Hello Christopher,
> >> >>      The Pentium Pro processor has extremely poor I/O performance.  This is
> >> >>one of the reasons SCSI is always recommended.  The memory functions
> >> >>are optimize at the sacrifice of the I/O sub-systems.  There is not
> >> >>work about with this issue.

> >I'm having a hard time accepting this. I can't believe that Intel
> >Engineers
> >would be so stupid as to even cripple I/O performance in favor of memory
> >performance. Also, the above statement seems to me as a contradiction.
> >If
> >I/O performanace is so poor, why do they recommend a SCSI card? It
> >itself
> >is an I/O subsystem with some cards being able to do DMA transfers, ie.
> >bus
> >masters.

> >Is there another way to test DMA transfer speeds besides DMADIAG?

> >Alex

>   SCSI devices require much less internention from the CPU. For
> instance some EIDE CD drives may consume as much as 50 % of your cpu's
> time. Not good. SCSI on the other hand uses much less. Can't remember
> the exact figures.
>   I think the reference to SCSI has nothing to do with the Reactor
> card. He was just refering to what is suggested for general I/O
> performance if you buy a PRO.

>                    Vincent Aldridge

> Been playing games on PC's since 1980

>       I be the DOOM GOD ....  Bow to me....!!

My first forays with a HACK dungeon were in a VAX750 on a REGENT 200 but

I digress . . .

I am planning on a Dual Pentium Pro implementation for a desk top P6DNF.

Doesn't this allow one processor to deal with I/O while the other taunts

me at the monitor?  This is of course is under NT.

SCSI peripherals are so much more costly than IDE.  Is it worth the $s

and/or the hassle.

I digress again.

|I am Vwariff the knight of mirror . . .

|

|I bow to no one that doth bow to me. If Ye come seeking drink & droll

|belly up to the bar. If Ye come seeking war -- there be virtual war if

|and only if you ask for it.  Ye need only make the dreaded system call

|vwariff().

AHH for an old fashioned 2 meg VAX with a dungeon full of gamers and an

Amulet of Yendor for the taking -- the Hell Hound hits!

Commercial systems aren't nearly the fun of good academic BSD source

code site.  The above tag has been out of circ since '86. At that time I

was


Vwariff :-}


Kevin

P6 and Verite DMA problems...an explanation

by Kevin » Wed, 25 Dec 1996 04:00:00

On Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:26:10 -0800, Keith & Cathy Bancroft


>My first forays with a HACK dungeon were in a VAX750 on a REGENT 200 but
>I digress . . .
>AHH for an old fashioned 2 meg VAX with a dungeon full of gamers and an
>Amulet of Yendor for the taking -- the Hell Hound hits!
>Vwariff :-}

YES!!......wasn't that a great game?!?!  I played it for nearly 4
years! Still start it up ocassionally >|-)

kev


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