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by **Sidney H Bridg** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 06:05:40

>> Ive seen all kinds in here over the last decade but comparing GP4 to
>> rFactor takes the grand prize.

>> Even ymenards self proclaimed presidency of ras looks sane by
>> comparison, hehe.

> Although I see Jason's point that GP4 was a complete F1 package. Fully
> working AI, all the tracks, excellent weather and a degree of atmosphere.

> rFactor is much more of a tool to build your own package, partly due to
> the limited tracks for a championship but mostly due to the AI not being
> consistently up to scratch. Initially this is a bit of a disappointment.
> However, once online in the OW trainers the disappointment goes away and
> the realisation that all that is needed is the tool for leagues and
> modders to do their stuff to complete the package.

> rFactor feels a bit lightweight compared to the milestone releases in
> the past, yet I believe it will be a milestone in the history of OW sim
> racing along with Indy 500, F1GP, ICR, GP2 and GPL on my list at least.

> Cheers
> Tony

No way was GP2 a milestone. A millstone more like!!

by **Tony Rickar** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:04:59

>> rFactor feels a bit lightweight compared to the milestone releases in
>> the past, yet I believe it will be a milestone in the history of OW
>> sim racing along with Indy 500, F1GP, ICR, GP2 and GPL on my list at
>> least.

>> Cheers
>> Tony

> No way was GP2 a milestone. A millstone more like!!

I pondered over that one. I still think it was a major release but came
out just before accelerated graphics cards started to be released. Plus
it was the first real F1 sim for 4 years. After that we had a string of
them. Regardless of its shortcomings I think it was a milestone, just a
shortlived one. The millstone was the fact that the shortcomings carried
over into the later releases not on my list!

Cheers
Tony

by **Praxiteles Democritu** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:15:36

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:05:40 GMT, Sidney H Bridge

>No way was GP2 a milestone. A millstone more like!!

Bet you never even played it. GP2 was very popular around here. For
it's day it was very good.

by **jason moye** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:19:34

> No way was GP2 a milestone. A millstone more like!!

When GP2 came out, what was better?

by **Steve Simpso** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:34:07

Need for Speed (I'm serious)

by **Steve Simpso** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:37:35

Agreed. I was actually a GP2 fan but it arrived about a year late for
what it was. GP3 & GP4 were disappointing because the physics were
basically the same as GP2 which had been stomped by Papy with GPL.

by **Byron Forbe** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:35:25

>> Yes. Sunny or cloudy. No rain, though - yet!

> So what exactly can it do that you can't do in N2003, weather-wise?

Nothing yet, but weather is planned for future patches/upgrades or
whatever.

by **Byron Forbe** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:42:14

>> No way was GP2 a milestone. A millstone more like!!

> When GP2 came out, what was better?

ICR2 - as you must surely know! I'm sure I saw you all about the ICR2 seen
back then didn't I?

GP2 - great for test sessions and a glimpse of the future. Slow mo cheating.
ICR2 - great fully usable product and an excellent offline league platform.
Along with Nascar (Hawaii), ICR2 marks the beginning of sim racing as a
sport - thanks to Papyrus (Kaemer).

by **Byron Forbe** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:52:07

Yes, there are a lot of good, new things in rfactor though.

3 types of starts - rolling, standing and standing with warmup lap.
We finally have a dedicted road racer (not Nascar ovals) with proper,
excellent multi - hip, hip hoo ***ing ray! (only took 7 years since GPL
ffs)
Excellent graphics, changing light conditions that function properly,
smoothly and look fantastic.
In 6-12 months we will probably have every track and series you can
imagine!

For my money, if they get the results working properly and we get
comprehensive stats then this is the best thing since................sliced
bread........................and...............................GPL. Taking
exponentiallity into account, it's probably as revolutionary as GPL was.

by **ymenar** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:10:57

> No way was GP2 a milestone. A millstone more like!!

What drug are you on? GP2 at its release was at the top. Cmon it was
released in _1995_ That's a year after Nascar Racing 1, a year before
IndyCar Racing 2. It was the top simulator available, heck it was the
_only_ simulator with Nascar1. So it had major flaws, well all the sims
back then had them.

You need a lesson in sim history <g>

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by **ymenar** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:13:39

> ICR2 - as you must surely know! I'm sure I saw you all about the ICR2 seen
> back then didn't I?

Icr2 was released half a year after GP2. While beloved, Icr2 had major
flaws itself, no wheel-spin (!!!), laughable physics on ovals, AI that was
below the one found in Gp2 (which was acceptable at its best).

I'm not putting Gp2 on a pedestral, but to say that Gp2 was bad, well people
just have short memories.

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-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
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by **Tony Rickar** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:06:22

> What drug are you on? GP2 at its release was at the top. Cmon it was
> released in _1995_ That's a year after Nascar Racing 1, a year before
> IndyCar Racing 2. It was the top simulator available, heck it was the
> _only_ simulator with Nascar1. So it had major flaws, well all the sims
> back then had them.

> You need a lesson in sim history <g>

In the UK GP2 was released July/August '96. I remember cos I diverted
the family to the PC store on the way back from the airport from our hols!

ICR2 was released December '95 as I recall.

For me ICR2 updated ICR1 with the Nascar1 graphics engine and wasan
evolution, hence not making it in my milestone list.

Cheers
Tony

by **Sidney H Bridg** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:48:29

> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:05:40 GMT, Sidney H Bridge

>>No way was GP2 a milestone. A millstone more like!!

> Bet you never even played it. GP2 was very popular around here. For
> it's day it was very good.

Then you'd lose your bet, sonny.

by **Sidney H Bridg** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:49:08

>>No way was GP2 a milestone. A millstone more like!!

> When GP2 came out, what was better?

ICR2.

by **Sidney H Bridg** » Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:01:27

>>No way was GP2 a milestone. A millstone more like!!

> What drug are you on? GP2 at its release was at the top. Cmon it was
> released in _1995_ That's a year after Nascar Racing 1, a year before
> IndyCar Racing 2. It was the top simulator available, heck it was the
> _only_ simulator with Nascar1. So it had major flaws, well all the sims
> back then had them.

> You need a lesson in sim history <g>

You're the one in need of a history lesso - as you must have worked out
by now.

Let's not forget the ICR2 had a version that ran on Rendition cards. Oh,
yeah, it also had working multi-player.

As a sim, GP2 was a joke. The fact it was an F1 game made it a fun
hotlap toy and very popular with F1 fanboys.

A sim? Don't be silly!

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SHB

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