rec.autos.simulators

> Now Michael insists that he has been sent documentation from MS stating that
> the sticker must be stuck on the box, if not, the Dealer is in breach of the
> MS license. So who is right?

> Maybe things are different in Ozzie land but over here there is no
> EULA stating that I can't transfer my *RETAIL* copy of WinXP to a new
> machine. So long as it is not installed on more than one machine at a
> time it is perfectly legal. The courts would laugh it down if that was
> the case. One last time - OEM is not the same as retail! You think MS
> expects me to buy a new copy of XP everytime I buy a new computer
> case? Mwahaha.

> What the hell does this discussion have to do with the merits of XP versus
> 98se in regards to sims??

> > Subject: Re: ot-Win XP versus W98se for sims
> > Date: Tuesday, 3 September 2002 2:19 AM

> > The guy at the computer store that I buy from, whose company is a
> certified
> > MS dealership, told me this:
> > Since MS started supplying the sticker with the serial number on it,
this
> > must be stuck on the P.C. that it is originally installed on.
> > If it is not, then the copy of Windows is Illegally installed on the PC.
> > He also said that the MS license states this, and also states that the
OS
> > cannot be reinstalled on another PC even if you format the drive on the
> > original PC.
> > He told me that this applies to both the OEM version and the full Retail
> > Version of XP. He said that the copy is licensed to the machine that it
> was
> > installed on, and that machine only, the copy can however be sold with
> that
> > machine. Previously, MS allowed you to format the drive of the machine
> that
> > you are selling, and reinstall it on your new machine, but not any more.
> > He gave me the example of a situation that arose with one of his
> customers.
> > The customer had a PC stolen.The thieves did not steal the original
> Windows
> > XP CD. The customer though that as far as MS were concerned, he was
quite
> > entitled to install the OS on his new PC that was supplied by the
> insurance
> > company.
> > The Computer Shop owner told him that according to the MS license, he
was
> > unable do so. The customer was understandably livid, and was told by the
> > Shop owner to ring MS and ask them. The customer did so, and was told by
> MS
> > that this was in fact the case.
> > Please note that I have not read the MS license to see if this is
actually
> > stated within it. Please don't flame me for posting this as it is only
> what
> > I have been told.
> > I have known this guy for years, and he was very emphatic that this was
> the
> > case.
> > I can not believe that you can't legally do this.  Can any MS dealers or
> > Computer Techs etc confirm or deny this?
> > If this is true, then I feel that this is another case of MS getting too
> > Greedy.

> > Darf

> > > "If you get a new computer, you are entitled to remove Windows XP from
> > > the one that is being junked, and install the same Windows XP on the
> > > new machine - but you will have to do the reactivation by a voice call
> > > and explain."

> Looks like you are correct. Just remember, this was all started by what
> somebody from MS told Michael, ( an authorised MS dealer ).
> The MS girl that I spoke to also said that the sticker does not have to be
> stuck on the PC by the dealer. Yet Michael has been sent Documentation from
> MS that it does. So you tell me, who is he supposed to believe?
> Microsoft or Microsoft?

> Darf

> > Isn't that exactly what I told you? She is right and Michael is wrong.

> I don't understand the problem here.  This is absolutely accurate.

> I would have no doubts that Microsoft has a provision in it's OEM DEALER
> LICENSE that directs them to put the sticker on the computer.

> Every IBM ThinkPad I've seen lately has had the sticker.

> But that does not translate, necessarily, to the end-user.

> > I throw my hands in the air

> As an end user, I wouldn't worry too much about the EULA fine prints
> because first, MS can change them whenever it suits them, and second,
> courts have in the past disregarded them because they are forced upon
> the user after they've bought the product, hence the push for UCITA in
> the USA and the use of WPA in XP.

> Here's some info on UCITA if you're interested.
> www.infoworld.com/articles/uc/xml/02/01/03/020103ucwhatis.xml

> With WPA, MS have an easy way of enforcing the terms and conditions of
> the EULA according to their interpretation and their needs, if you
> believe that MS will not change the rules for reactivation once non-
> WPA Windows are no longer available or when they have a new version to
> sell, I have a copy of Racing Legends here waiting for you. </joke>

> [Legal Disclaimer]
> I am not a lawyer, I just drive as if I'm chasing ambulances.