You can make it past the hairpin? Oh ***now I gotta go practice some
more......
dave henrie
You can make it past the hairpin? Oh ***now I gotta go practice some
more......
dave henrie
Mitch
>>Might want to change the topic to 'Win XP Licensing Rights' as it has
>>no sims content at all.
> Thats was my argument to Michael, his reply was this:
> When we pay the money for our XP CD, we are not "buying" the software.
> What we are doing is paying for the USE of Microsoft's software. Remember it
> is them that own it, not us.
> When we install XP, we "sign" the terms and conditions and we say that we
> agree to their conditions of how it is used. Part of this is the sticker
> thing.
> So it seems they have us by the balls.
> If you want I can email you the batch file :-)
> Darf
> If I bought the machine and the program came with it as far
>>as I'm concerned I bought the program. I will install it on as many
>>machines down the road as I see fit. Why? I bought it.
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OEM means sold or bundled with hardware, technically Microsoft says that
the software is bound to the hardware, so if the hardware goes up in smoke,
so does your license. Now the upgrade and or full versions, the guy assured
me that although it is more difficult to re register it on new HW, usually
it is done. Another thing they told me is you can only transfer ownership 2
times.
So as in My real life problem & scenario: I bought Retail Upgrade from
a friend who hated it, and went back to SE, of course after registering
it... So now, when I get ready to install this version on a new machine that
wont be built now for a while, I have to call in to the Registration instead
of online, plus they want me to fax a signed statement that my friend sold
the copy to me and removed it from his machine...
Add a wrinkle to this thing now, as I got divorced and separated the
property (had to suit for my stuff) and the 'lil woman gave me the box but
kept the contents of this particular OS set (XP HOME) & that the ID#s are
already registered to my friend, as I had not changed it yet, and I have the
letter he wrote me for it to fax in... LOL I will laugh my arse off when MS
busts her arse with that and all the other illegal copies of stuff (from
Microsoft) she has on that computer LOL! Or it will prove that all this
registration ***is nothing but CRAP.
> Well I'm only guessing here and interpreting things as I understand them,
> but I think what the dealer said with this referred to pre-installed
> versions sold together with the hardware. These might be limited to the
> hardware they're sold with. However, I also think that there are countries
> where such a limitation is prohibited by law.
> I also don't think a version purchased separately could not be wiped from
> one HD and then installed onto another. But as I said, I'm not a lawyer,
I'm
> only telling you my private opinion.
> Achim
> Darf
> > Sticker is for oem installs...don't even bother....let's all move on
Darf
> Who gives a flip about the sticker? No one is gonna see it except YOU, if
you
> work on your own systems...
> Eldred
Darf
You are correct in saying that OEM copies are glued to the activated
machine. Forever. They can never be transferred.
However, Off-The-Shelf RETAIL versions can be transferred to a new computer
as long as it is removed from the previous computer completely.
You will, of course, have to call Microsoft at it's activation number
because when you try to activate over the Internet it will fail due to the
hardware change.
FYI..., you don't even have to change hardware to have WPA take your system
down. I've had to re-activate my LEGAL copy FIVE times so far, and twice it
was just for simple driver updates. No hardware was changed out at all.
WPA is not as benign as they make it out to be so if you are travelling on
the road with a Laptop and XP, don't touch anything even remotely related to
hardware, including the drivers (especially NIC drivers).
-Larry
> The guy at the computer store that I buy from, whose company is a
certified
> MS dealership, told me this:
> Since MS started supplying the sticker with the serial number on it, this
> must be stuck on the P.C. that it is originally installed on.
> If it is not, then the copy of Windows is Illegally installed on the PC.
> He also said that the MS license states this, and also states that the OS
> cannot be reinstalled on another PC even if you format the drive on the
> original PC.
> He told me that this applies to both the OEM version and the full Retail
> Version of XP. He said that the copy is licensed to the machine that it
was
> installed on, and that machine only, the copy can however be sold with
that
> machine. Previously, MS allowed you to format the drive of the machine
that
> you are selling, and reinstall it on your new machine, but not any more.
> He gave me the example of a situation that arose with one of his
customers.
> The customer had a PC stolen.The thieves did not steal the original
Windows
> XP CD. The customer though that as far as MS were concerned, he was quite
> entitled to install the OS on his new PC that was supplied by the
insurance
> company.
> The Computer Shop owner told him that according to the MS license, he was
> unable do so. The customer was understandably livid, and was told by the
> Shop owner to ring MS and ask them. The customer did so, and was told by
MS
> that this was in fact the case.
> Please note that I have not read the MS license to see if this is actually
> stated within it. Please don't flame me for posting this as it is only
what
> I have been told.
> I have known this guy for years, and he was very emphatic that this was
the
> case.
> I can not believe that you can't legally do this. Can any MS dealers or
> Computer Techs etc confirm or deny this?
> If this is true, then I feel that this is another case of MS getting too
> Greedy.
> Darf
> > "If you get a new computer, you are entitled to remove Windows XP from
> > the one that is being junked, and install the same Windows XP on the
> > new machine - but you will have to do the reactivation by a voice call
> > and explain."
-Larry
> I wonder though whether if he'd submit the police report, MS wouldn't
treat
> this in a customer-friendly way.
> Achim
> > Subject: Re: ot-Win XP versus W98se for sims
> > Date: Tuesday, 3 September 2002 2:19 AM
> > The guy at the computer store that I buy from, whose company is a
> certified
> > MS dealership, told me this:
> > Since MS started supplying the sticker with the serial number on it,
this
> > must be stuck on the P.C. that it is originally installed on.
> > If it is not, then the copy of Windows is Illegally installed on the PC.
> > He also said that the MS license states this, and also states that the
OS
> > cannot be reinstalled on another PC even if you format the drive on the
> > original PC.
> > He told me that this applies to both the OEM version and the full Retail
> > Version of XP. He said that the copy is licensed to the machine that it
> was
> > installed on, and that machine only, the copy can however be sold with
> that
> > machine. Previously, MS allowed you to format the drive of the machine
> that
> > you are selling, and reinstall it on your new machine, but not any more.
> > He gave me the example of a situation that arose with one of his
> customers.
> > The customer had a PC stolen.The thieves did not steal the original
> Windows
> > XP CD. The customer though that as far as MS were concerned, he was
quite
> > entitled to install the OS on his new PC that was supplied by the
> insurance
> > company.
> > The Computer Shop owner told him that according to the MS license, he
was
> > unable do so. The customer was understandably livid, and was told by the
> > Shop owner to ring MS and ask them. The customer did so, and was told by
> MS
> > that this was in fact the case.
> > Please note that I have not read the MS license to see if this is
actually
> > stated within it. Please don't flame me for posting this as it is only
> what
> > I have been told.
> > I have known this guy for years, and he was very emphatic that this was
> the
> > case.
> > I can not believe that you can't legally do this. Can any MS dealers or
> > Computer Techs etc confirm or deny this?
> > If this is true, then I feel that this is another case of MS getting too
> > Greedy.
> > Darf
> > > "If you get a new computer, you are entitled to remove Windows XP from
> > > the one that is being junked, and install the same Windows XP on the
> > > new machine - but you will have to do the reactivation by a voice call
> > > and explain."
It's about time people woke up and started looking for
alternatives to the monopoly...
Cheers,
Uwe
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Darf
I agree, I just choose something besides Linux, though Unix in design.
MacOS X 10 of course.
But, it 's still not my primary machine. I have 7 computers in use at home.
Two Win2K Servers, a Win2K Laptop, a WinXP Desktop, a G4 LCD iMac, an old
PowerMac 8100 and an old Macintosh Duo 280.
To be honest, I don't know why I keep the two old Mac's. It's more of a
nostalgia thing :)
I use the G4 iMac for most Graphics work using Canvas 8 and APE2. Most of
my Car was done on the iMac. I also use it as my music center (I ran the
output to the input on my XP TBSC card, so it will play out through the
Klipsch ProMedia 5.1's) because I really dig iTunes.
I do have a couple of Linux Distro's running, but they are running under
VirtualPC on the PC and don't have their own machines.
-Larry
> Because MS would miss out on their PC tax if this was allowed,
> simple as that. They hate vendors that sell *** PC's with a
> passion and have everybody else (all the big PC vendors) on a
> short leash by matter of their "bulk licensing" agreements.
> It's about time people woke up and started looking for
> alternatives to the monopoly...
> Cheers,
> Uwe
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> Darf
> > Sticker is for oem installs...don't even bother....let's all move on
The guy who came to give some training at our work was telling us about
Microsoft- his company had become "approved Microsoft solution partners" or
some such nonsense, the upshot being they had access to more licenses for
upgraded versions of MS apps etc.
He tried, therefore, to sell an unused, "shrink wrapped" copy of an old
version of back office on eBay, and got a call from MS lawyers shortly
after.
What I do know under UK law, is that if I buy a product which is carried on
a physical medium (ie any software which is not downloaded from the
supplier, but sent on disc, cd etc) I am legally entitled to sell it on-
unused software on CDs does not involve EULAs, it's just hardware.
Of course, the law doesn't apply to MS, they could/would easily remove the
company from their "scheme" for no legal reason anyway.