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Psygnosisi F1 PC

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Psygnosisi F1 PC

by a.. » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00

How does  Psygnosis F1 PC compare with GP2 and Power F1?

Andr.

Richard Pic

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Richard Pic » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00


> How does  Psygnosis F1 PC compare with GP2 and Power F1?

> Andr.

It doesnt. GP2 blows away F1 as a sim and Power F1 blows
away F1 as an arcade game (and yeah, got a 3dfx card too).
To me, any racing game without a***pit (like F1) is not
worth buying.

Rich

Bob Chalfi

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Bob Chalfi » Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:00:00



> > How does  Psygnosis F1 PC compare with GP2 and Power F1?

> > Andr.

> It doesnt. GP2 blows away F1 as a sim and Power F1 blows
> away F1 as an arcade game (and yeah, got a 3dfx card too).
> To me, any racing game without a***pit (like F1) is not
> worth buying.

> Rich

Isn't it funny, despite its flaws and all the ***ing about the game in
general, GP2 still kicks every other sim's butt.  3D hardware support,
updated/ accurate tracks and cars, and a couple other tweaks (maybe
better multiplay and redo***pit view?), and you'd have THE ultimate F1
sim.  What a potential cash cow Mr. Crammond sits on.  I wish he'd do
something about it - we are finally starting to get hardware that will
make this game fly.

Bob

John Wallac

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by John Wallac » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00


I'm a bit surprised to hear the Murray Walker commentary as a "plus", it
was nice for a while but I get thoroughly hacked off with him thinking that
I've "completely lost it" or "He's spun!" every time I get a bit sideways
through a turn.

Personally I'd far prefer to hear the pits talking to me, telling me gaps,
lap times, fuel strategy, tire wear of team-mate etc etc. That would
constitute a far better use of the sound I think.

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Randy Magrud

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Randy Magrud » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00


>> How does  Psygnosis F1 PC compare with GP2 and Power F1?

>> Andr.

>It doesnt. GP2 blows away F1 as a sim and Power F1 blows
>away F1 as an arcade game (and yeah, got a 3dfx card too).
>To me, any racing game without a***pit (like F1) is not
>worth buying.

On the flip side, the tracks are dead-on in F1 (something GP2 can't
claim), F1 has banking (something GP2 can't claim) and 3D hardware
support, which neither GP2 or Power F1 can claim.  I have the
Playstation version of Formula One and Gp2 and Power F1 on my
Pentium-133.   I also have a rendition board.  

 GP2:  Best  overall sim
            Best setup options
            Best computer car AI
Cons:  Slow graphics - still not a computer that can run it at full
graphics decently
           No weather!
           No in-car adjustments (sway bars & brake bias namely)
           Crappy modem play
           Less than stellar track reproduction
          No camber

F1:    Best track renditions
          fastest graphics with 3D acceleration
          Murray Walker commentary
          Banking fully implemented
          FULL Rain effects!
Cons:  Less horsepower than real F1 cars
             stupid damage model
              lame AI
              no***pit view

Power F1:  Almost as good on the track renditions as F1
                     Cool menus & setup options
                      Best outside sound effects (and you can hear
other cars!)
                   Weather of sorts..
                   pretty graphics
Cons:   Slowest of the bunch
              Limited detail tuning so you're stuck with a ***frame
rate in hi res
              Awful steering wheel feedback.  Be prepared to crank the
wheel a LOT, even with the joyfix they distribute
              Product most in need of 3D acceleration
               Can't figure out whether it wants to be a sim or an
arcade game.

Randy

Luke Phillip

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Luke Phillip » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00

I think its crap. Its got a bad driving model, and horrible sound. Dont
think bout playing it unless you have a 3dfx, rendition or a card that
supports direct 3d. No 2d cards, and you must have atleast 4mb ram on your
card.


Young K

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Young K » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00


says...

Murray Walker commentary in a game is a pro?

Randy Magrud

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Randy Magrud » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00


>Murray Walker commentary in a game is a pro?

Yes.  Having him say "he's up/down after the first split" is great,
especially considering where some of the scoring sections are on the
track!

Randy

Randy Magrud

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Randy Magrud » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00



>>           Murray Walker commentary

>I'm a bit surprised to hear the Murray Walker commentary as a "plus", it
>was nice for a while but I get thoroughly hacked off with him thinking that
>I've "completely lost it" or "He's spun!" every time I get a bit sideways
>through a turn.

>Personally I'd far prefer to hear the pits talking to me, telling me gaps,
>lap times, fuel strategy, tire wear of team-mate etc etc. That would
>constitute a far better use of the sound I think.

Agreed.  However, my point was that, at least in the Playstation
version, when the split time flashes up I might be in the middle of
the turn or otherwise cannot lock down at at my split.  During
qualifying, Murray tells me "He's up after the first split" and during
the race "the gap is decreasing".  I can focus on the racing and
listen to Murray's queues for whether I'm closing the gap to the car
in front of me and whether or not my split times are better or worse.

Randy

Marco Weijten

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Marco Weijten » Wed, 04 Jun 1997 04:00:00



> >> How does  Psygnosis F1 PC compare with GP2 and Power F1?

> >> Andr.

> >It doesnt. GP2 blows away F1 as a sim and Power F1 blows
> >away F1 as an arcade game (and yeah, got a 3dfx card too).
> >To me, any racing game without a***pit (like F1) is not
> >worth buying.

> On the flip side, the tracks are dead-on in F1 (something GP2 can't
> claim), F1 has banking (something GP2 can't claim) and 3D hardware
> support, which neither GP2 or Power F1 can claim.  I have the
> Playstation version of Formula One and Gp2 and Power F1 on my
> Pentium-133.   I also have a rendition board.

>  GP2:  Best  overall sim
>             Best setup options
>             Best computer car AI
> Cons:  Slow graphics - still not a computer that can run it at full
> graphics decently
>            No weather!
>            No in-car adjustments (sway bars & brake bias namely)
>            Crappy modem play
>            Less than stellar track reproduction
>           No camber

> F1:    Best track renditions
>           fastest graphics with 3D acceleration
>           Murray Walker commentary
>           Banking fully implemented
>           FULL Rain effects!
> Cons:  Less horsepower than real F1 cars
>              stupid damage model
>               lame AI
>               no***pit view

> Power F1:  Almost as good on the track renditions as F1
>                      Cool menus & setup options
>                       Best outside sound effects (and you can hear
> other cars!)
>                    Weather of sorts..
>                    pretty graphics
> Cons:   Slowest of the bunch
>               Limited detail tuning so you're stuck with a ***frame
> rate in hi res
>               Awful steering wheel feedback.  Be prepared to crank the
> wheel a LOT, even with the joyfix they distribute
>               Product most in need of 3D acceleration
>                Can't figure out whether it wants to be a sim or an
> arcade game.

> Randy

I have an AMD K6 MMX 200 with Matrox Mystique 4 MB card
It runs GP2 in 25,6 frames with everything on in SVGA,
except for Monaco, the game flies.
Greg Cisk

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Greg Cisk » Thu, 05 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Does F1 have a***pit view or not? Without the***pit view the pros & cons are
pointless.

IMHO :-)

Since you say that F1 does not have a cokpit view it seems to be a real loser.
Thanks. Less hassle for me.
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Randy Magrud

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Randy Magrud » Thu, 05 Jun 1997 04:00:00


>I have an AMD K6 MMX 200 with Matrox Mystique 4 MB card
>It runs GP2 in 25,6 frames with everything on in SVGA,
>except for Monaco, the game flies.

Well, you certainly have a state of the art machine.  Upgrading to a
P200+MMX+motherboard would set me back $750 or so, and I don't know
how much of  a difference the VESA modes of your Mystique compared to
my Rendition board.  I'm certainly not willing to give up the
Rendition board because of IndyCar II and NASCAR 2, but I'd love to
know how well a P200MMX would run with the Rendition board.

Thanks for letting me know that there is hope out there someday when I
get a bleeding edge computer.  Still, for most people out there who
are running anything from P90's to P166's, Gp2's performance isn't
great.

Randy

Randy Magrud

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Randy Magrud » Thu, 05 Jun 1997 04:00:00


>Does F1 have a***pit view or not? Without the***pit view the pros & cons are
>pointless.

It has a view which I would say is positioned about a foot higher than
the driver, looking over the wings and the tires.  You don't get to
see any***pit instrumentation or anything, but you do get to see the
track ahead, your front wings and nose, and you tires turning
spinning, gathering ***when you go off the road etc.    Even though
I am in agreement with those who criticize this game as a result of a
lack of a "true"***pit view I really think people make more of a big
deal out of it than it really is.  For all intents and purposes, your
view is pretty much the same, and you don't really notice its absence
when you're racing -- you're simply too busy.

Well, if you're going to judge the entire game by that I guess you
have to do what you have to do. As I said, the fact that you get a
camera view from approximately where the driver would be, albeit
slightly higher, its not a big deal.  I certainly wouldn't trash the
game on that alone, but then I'm not you.

Randy

Richard A. Ishid

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Richard A. Ishid » Thu, 05 Jun 1997 04:00:00



> >I have an AMD K6 MMX 200 with Matrox Mystique 4 MB card
> >It runs GP2 in 25,6 frames with everything on in SVGA,
> >except for Monaco, the game flies.

> Well, you certainly have a state of the art machine.  Upgrading to a
> P200+MMX+motherboard would set me back $750 or so, and I don't know
> how much of  a difference the VESA modes of your Mystique compared to
> my Rendition board.  I'm certainly not willing to give up the
> Rendition board because of IndyCar II and NASCAR 2, but I'd love to
> know how well a P200MMX would run with the Rendition board.

> Thanks for letting me know that there is hope out there someday when I
> get a bleeding edge computer.  Still, for most people out there who
> are running anything from P90's to P166's, Gp2's performance isn't
> great.

> Randy

On another note - has Formula 1 been released in the US? There was a
reference to Formula 1 on Avault that put the release this week.
However, the reference is no longer there. Does this mean the game has
been released or that it has vanished - not unlike Moto Racer?  BTW, I
run GPII on a Dell P200 with 32 mb of SDRAM and a Matrox Millennium 4 mb
WRAM and it really does scream - with only a couple textures turned off.
N2 looks better but GPII has a better overall driving experience, IMHO.
T2's rule... But I digress.  If someone knows about the release of
Formula 1, please let us know, OK? :)

Cordially,
Buddha

Rob Bat

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Rob Bat » Thu, 05 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Is there a Psygnosis F1 demo out yet ???

if so, where can I download it ?

ta

Rob


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