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Psygnosisi F1 PC

Chri

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Chri » Sun, 08 Jun 1997 04:00:00

How do you know.  The game doesn't get released until June 13



> I think its crap. Its got a bad driving model, and horrible sound. Dont
> think bout playing it unless you have a 3dfx, rendition or a card that
> supports direct 3d. No 2d cards, and you must have atleast 4mb ram on
your
> card.


> > How does  Psygnosis F1 PC compare with GP2 and Power F1?

> > Andr.

Antoine Renau

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Antoine Renau » Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:00:00

On Mon, 02 Jun 1997 17:51:39 -0400, Bob Chalfin


>Isn't it funny, despite its flaws and all the ***ing about the game in
>general, GP2 still kicks every other sim's butt.  3D hardware support,
>updated/ accurate tracks and cars, and a couple other tweaks (maybe
>better multiplay and redo***pit view?), and you'd have THE ultimate F1
>sim.  What a potential cash cow Mr. Crammond sits on.  I wish he'd do
>something about it - we are finally starting to get hardware that will
>make this game fly.

Microprose are working on a sequel to GP2, but they are keeping it
secret at this time cause they have no idea when the new game can
possibly be released.  It will include 3D acceleration, network play
and other things, but it could be a long time until we get our hands
on it.  And maybe it'll only run on P2 300Mhz with all but sky...

A. Renault

Jim Waggen

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Jim Waggen » Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:00


>How do you know.  The game doesn't get released until June 13

I believe it has been available in Europe for some time.
Jo

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Jo » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00


>And its crap, avoid !!!
>Buy Grand Prix 2 instead.

Obviously anyone who bought Psygnosis F1 has a 3d card, so the
outdated GP2 is useless to them. GP2 is intolerably slow in 640x480
(even on a P200 with several details off) and intolerably ugly in
320x200. If there was ever a game DYING for 3d card support it's GP2.

Joe

John Walla

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by John Walla » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00


>Obviously anyone who bought Psygnosis F1 has a 3d card, so the
>outdated GP2 is useless to them.

What is clear is that if you're looking for a sim GP2 is several
worlds ahead of Psygnosis F1, and what's more it is very playable on a
P-200. It is even playable on anything down to a P133 in SVGA and a
P-90 in VGA.

Cheers!
John

Eric Adam

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Eric Adam » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00

Don't buy either one of them .Wait for Starting Grid to come out.



> >And its crap, avoid !!!

> >Buy Grand Prix 2 instead.

> Obviously anyone who bought Psygnosis F1 has a 3d card, so the
> outdated GP2 is useless to them. GP2 is intolerably slow in 640x480
> (even on a P200 with several details off) and intolerably ugly in
> 320x200. If there was ever a game DYING for 3d card support it's GP2.

> Joe

Jo

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Jo » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00



>>Obviously anyone who bought Psygnosis F1 has a 3d card, so the
>>outdated GP2 is useless to them.
>What is clear is that if you're looking for a sim GP2 is several
>worlds ahead of Psygnosis F1, and what's more it is very playable on a
>P-200. It is even playable on anything down to a P133 in SVGA and a
>P-90 in VGA.

In my opinion it is not "playable" on any of those systems unless you
use VGA. IMO using SVGA causes such a tremendous slowdown in
frame-rate it becomes basically undriveable - partly becuase it *is* a
realistic sim you NEED a high frame-rate to be able to control the car
properly (i.e., assuming steering assistance and junk like that is
turned off). And yes, I've run it on both a P133 and P200.

Joe

Jo

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Jo » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00



>>Obviously anyone who bought Psygnosis F1 has a 3d card, so the
>>outdated GP2 is useless to them.
>What is clear is that if you're looking for a sim GP2 is several
>worlds ahead of Psygnosis F1, and what's more it is very playable on a
>P-200. It is even playable on anything down to a P133 in SVGA and a
>P-90 in VGA.

In my opinion it is not "playable" on any of those systems unless you
use VGA. IMO using SVGA causes such a tremendous slowdown in
frame-rate it becomes basically undriveable - partly becuase it *is* a
realistic sim you NEED a high frame-rate to be able to control the car
properly (i.e., assuming steering assistance and junk like that is
turned off). And yes, I've run it on both a P133 and P200.

Joe

John Walla

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by John Walla » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00


>In my opinion it is not "playable" on any of those systems unless you
>use VGA. IMO using SVGA causes such a tremendous slowdown in
>frame-rate it becomes basically undriveable - partly becuase it *is* a
>realistic sim you NEED a high frame-rate to be able to control the car
>properly (i.e., assuming steering assistance and junk like that is
>turned off). And yes, I've run it on both a P133 and P200.

Undrivable?

Did you know that the winner of the Microprose competition drove his
sub 1:20s lap of Monza on a 486-66? What's more he also won the league
race with a stunning race time against top-class competition using the
same system.

Perhaps you can't drive it and feel that it is not playable, but you
are in a minority.

Cheers!
John
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John S. Wallace - Sim Racing News ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            "F*&* he's quick!" - Prost's comment on Senna

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Steven Becke

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Steven Becke » Thu, 12 Jun 1997 04:00:00

I am running GP2 on an AMD K6 200 w/64meg ram and ATI 3Dxpression+pc2tv
3d accelerator, and I can run w/full detail SVGA and only 80-90%CPU
utilization on all tracks except Monaco.  I think that if you got a new
MMX233 or AMD233, it would do the trick.  The AI in GP2 is far superior
to competitors so far.  I am looking forward to seeing Psygnosis F1, I
thought that the Sony PS version was pretty cool.




> >>Obviously anyone who bought Psygnosis F1 has a 3d card, so the
> >>outdated GP2 is useless to them.

> >What is clear is that if you're looking for a sim GP2 is several
> >worlds ahead of Psygnosis F1, and what's more it is very playable on a
> >P-200. It is even playable on anything down to a P133 in SVGA and a
> >P-90 in VGA.

> In my opinion it is not "playable" on any of those systems unless you
> use VGA. IMO using SVGA causes such a tremendous slowdown in
> frame-rate it becomes basically undriveable - partly becuase it *is* a
> realistic sim you NEED a high frame-rate to be able to control the car
> properly (i.e., assuming steering assistance and junk like that is
> turned off). And yes, I've run it on both a P133 and P200.

> Joe

'John' Joao Sil

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by 'John' Joao Sil » Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:00:00




>>>Obviously anyone who bought Psygnosis F1 has a 3d card, so the
>>>outdated GP2 is useless to them.

>>What is clear is that if you're looking for a sim GP2 is several
>>worlds ahead of Psygnosis F1, and what's more it is very playable on a
>>P-200. It is even playable on anything down to a P133 in SVGA and a
>>P-90 in VGA.

>In my opinion it is not "playable" on any of those systems unless you
>use VGA. IMO using SVGA causes such a tremendous slowdown in
>frame-rate it becomes basically undriveable - partly becuase it *is* a
>realistic sim you NEED a high frame-rate to be able to control the car
>properly (i.e., assuming steering assistance and junk like that is
>turned off). And yes, I've run it on both a P133 and P200.

>Joe

I've been playing GP2 SVGA on a P166 with 32Meg RAM Matrox Mill since it came
out, and after having taken a look at Psygnosis F1 on a P166 Monster3d
I would say the only edge it has on GP2 are the graphics and track
realism.

The control and driving model on F1 just didn't feel right, going into
the corners I didn't need to brake since when you let off the accelerator
the car slows down NOTICEABLY and does not keep coasting like it should.

The opponent AI was very weak and would repeatedly slam into me even though
I had the line for a corner when we were fighting for position, and that
really frustrated me after being used to the smarter AI of GP2 and Nascar2.

When I returned to GP2 to compare how well it holds up to F1 and have to say
that it holds up quite well at for me.

I really love the driving model, curbs, smart opponents in GP2,
and actually it runs quite well for me in SVGA with no sky and all the
mirror details turned off except smoke, which after all is pretty good
since Psygnosis F1 doesn't even _have_ mirrors. At those settings in SVGA,
I never go above 100% processor occupancy except if I am at Monaco which
I don't race there very often anyhow.

Personally I would use Psygnosis F1 to drive around and familiarize myself
with an F1 circuit before watching that F1 race on TV that weekend, since
it's tracks are very realistically done and beautiful, but other than that
I doubt I would play it much since the AI problems would probably really
drive me nuts.

As a 3dfx Voodoo owner, I would LOVE to have a 3dfx version of GP2,
but I think it is too harsh to say that GP2 is unplayable on your
P200, you just need to tweak the graphics option a bit more I think, and yes,
I am also spoiled by the fast framerates we Voodoo owners come to expect
and wish GP2 could run at 30+ FPS.

For Sim fans thinking about buying Formula1, I would say buy it at place
where you can return it if you don't like it, since F1 is, as advertised
more of an Arcade Racer than a diehard Racing Sim and you may find that
the pretty graphics and realistic tracks just aren't enough to make this
a keeper. I am glad I was able to get a look at this at a friend's house
after all the hoopla about it and the long delay for it's release here in
North America, but sadly it's just not my type of game.

I will keep playing GP2 to satisfy my F1 simulation needs, and hope
Microprose gets it's head out of its rear cavity and gives us a 3dfx
version with the promised Wet Weather effects and networking.

Cheers.
--John (fan of GP2, ICR2, N2, NFS, Stunts etc.)
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Richard Pic

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Richard Pic » Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:00:00



> >In my opinion it is not "playable" on any of those systems unless you
> >use VGA. IMO using SVGA causes such a tremendous slowdown in
> >frame-rate it becomes basically undriveable - partly becuase it *is* a
> >realistic sim you NEED a high frame-rate to be able to control the car
> >properly (i.e., assuming steering assistance and junk like that is
> >turned off). And yes, I've run it on both a P133 and P200.

> Undrivable?

> Did you know that the winner of the Microprose competition drove his
> sub 1:20s lap of Monza on a 486-66? What's more he also won the league
> race with a stunning race time against top-class competition using the
> same system.

> Perhaps you can't drive it and feel that it is not playable, but you
> are in a minority.

> Cheers!
> John
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John S. Wallace - Sim Racing News ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>             "F*&* he's quick!" - Prost's comment on Senna

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It may be playable, but the _majority_ thinks the frame rate
(in SVGA with most, but not all, details ON) sucks in GP2
(including me with my Pent Pro 200) and explains
why the majority prays that a 3dfx version of GP2 becomes
available. While Power F1 doesnt hold a candle to the
overall realism and AI of GP2, being able play Power F1 at
30 fps in SVGA (with its superior track graphics IMO), even
without 3dfx support, gave me such a great sensation of
racing speed that I took GP2 off my HD. But I still
have World Circuit on my HD too :)
John Walla

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by John Walla » Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:00:00

On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:52:03 -0700, Richard Pick

Okay, if you insist we can get pedantic... :-)

Possibly, but I never stated the frame-rate was excellent, merely that
it was playable.

So the majoity of sim-racers own a 3dFX? I doubt it. I would estimate
the majority would like an improved frame-rate, and while you and I
would like a 3dFX port it probably isn't specifically 3dFX the
majority want.

The rumours are that 3D support will be coded into either GP3 or an
update, should either of them have any basis in reality, but it will
doubtless be a LONG time before we see either.

Cheers!
John

Jo

Psygnosisi F1 PC

by Jo » Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:00:00


>I am running GP2 on an AMD K6 200 w/64meg ram and ATI 3Dxpression+pc2tv
>3d accelerator, and I can run w/full detail SVGA and only 80-90%CPU
>utilization on all tracks except Monaco.  I think that if you got a new
>MMX233 or AMD233, it would do the trick.  

I don't think so. I bought a Monster 3dfx, and for game that support
it it has increased the performance of my P200 by at least 3-4 times -
it's the software equivalent of a P800.

GP2 isn't even CLOSE to good performance on a P200, so bumping up the
power by 10-15% is not going to make a significant difference (GP2
doesn't use MMX by the way).

Joe


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