rec.autos.simulators

by **Greg Cisk** » Fri, 29 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Very few FF wheels have the gear change lever. I believe the ACTLabs
FF does but the gear lever is not compatable with N3 (I would assume
GPL too).

If you get the wrong one yes. The logitech wheel uses 50K CPU
cycles per FF command. The others are over 1,000,000 CPU
cycles per FF command. Since you have such a slow CPU
I think you have to consider this.

I would suggest any celeron faster than 400mhz. Or if you can get a 300
that can be overclocked, that would be best. With one of those 300's
you can set the FSB to 100mhz, while the standard celerons run at
66mhz.

Even with a CPU upgrade I still think you want to get a wheel that doesn't
use many CPU cycles.

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by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 31 Oct 1999 04:00:00

The logitech has paddles (much like a real F1 wheel actually)
while the MS wheel has buttons. I also find that I don't shift
enough in N3 to really get too worried about the lack of a
"redneck" gear shifter :-)

The price is apparently dropping too. I saw the LogiFF wheel for sale
at a local compusa for $149. The full version of SCGT comes
with it too! So the net price is ~$100 since SCGT is still $40.

No problem.

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by **Robert Jorda** » Sun, 31 Oct 1999 04:00:00

THE MSFF has paddles too behind the wheel for shifting. Plus it has
programmable buttons on the front of the wheel. But no lever shifter.. I
myself
miss the shifter lever since its hard to shift if your on a short track and
your wheel
travel is side to side(ie:hard to shift when in a hard left/right)

PassedYa

> > I've seen a lever from ACTLABS, and it looked like a real one, not
> > just the usual push/pull we're used to, but I also think that a few
> > products only must support it. But OTOH, I really don't like the
> > buttons for changing gear, I was thinking about the good old push/pull
> > like my old T1.

> The logitech has paddles (much like a real F1 wheel actually)
> while the MS wheel has buttons. I also find that I don't shift
> enough in N3 to really get too worried about the lack of a
> "redneck" gear shifter :-)

> > I keep hearing a lot of good about this Logitec wheel, I think I'm
> > going to take a look at their website.

> The price is apparently dropping too. I saw the LogiFF wheel for sale
> at a local compusa for $149. The full version of SCGT comes
> with it too! So the net price is ~$100 since SCGT is still $40.

> > Yesterday, I bought a Celeron 400 (cpu, mobo + tower), maily because
> > of its low price, and compared to what I had before, I'd say it runs
> > beyond all I expected... Before, I could barely play SCGT, even with
> > everything turned off and a voodoo 2, now, it's just like a dream....
> > GPL seems also more comfortable to drive than before.

> > Thanks a lot for the advice,

> No problem.

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by **Greg Cisk** » Sun, 31 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Excuse me. But I used to own a MS FF wheel. The paddles you
refer to are nothing more than buttons about 1"x1" in size. They
were so small that my wrist would snap if I tried to keep both
hands in a position so that I could always shift. Totally bogus for
me. The logitech has real paddles much like a real F1 car (which
has 4 paddles instead of 2).

And of course hte logitech has progamable buttons on the wheel
too. The paddles can even be programed.

Not with the Logitech wheel it isn't. That is what I am saying about
the Logi paddles. They are functionable :-)

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> PassedYa

> > > I've seen a lever from ACTLABS, and it looked like a real one, not
> > > just the usual push/pull we're used to, but I also think that a few
> > > products only must support it. But OTOH, I really don't like the
> > > buttons for changing gear, I was thinking about the good old push/pull
> > > like my old T1.

> > The logitech has paddles (much like a real F1 wheel actually)
> > while the MS wheel has buttons. I also find that I don't shift
> > enough in N3 to really get too worried about the lack of a
> > "redneck" gear shifter :-)

> > > I keep hearing a lot of good about this Logitec wheel, I think I'm
> > > going to take a look at their website.

> > The price is apparently dropping too. I saw the LogiFF wheel for sale
> > at a local compusa for $149. The full version of SCGT comes
> > with it too! So the net price is ~$100 since SCGT is still $40.

> > > Yesterday, I bought a Celeron 400 (cpu, mobo + tower), maily because
> > > of its low price, and compared to what I had before, I'd say it runs
> > > beyond all I expected... Before, I could barely play SCGT, even with
> > > everything turned off and a voodoo 2, now, it's just like a dream....
> > > GPL seems also more comfortable to drive than before.

> > > Thanks a lot for the advice,

> > No problem.

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by **Aaron Gillu** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

> > I keep hearing a lot of good about this Logitec wheel, I think I'm
> > going to take a look at their website.

> The price is apparently dropping too. I saw the LogiFF wheel for sale
> at a local compusa for $149. The full version of SCGT comes
> with it too! So the net price is ~$100 since SCGT is still $40.

There is one particular seller on Ebay that is selling factory reconditioned
Logitech Force Feedback Formula Wheels. They are going for about $70 on
auction (I just got one for $70.04). Be patient on your bidding, though.
He seems to be putting more wheels up for auction everyday, so don't bid
like you won't get another try.

The wheels come with a 1 year warranty through Logitech.

The seller has a good feedback rating, but you never know. I'll let you all
know my impressions with both the wheel and the seller.

Aaron Gillum

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

Greg Cisko schrieb:

> > THE MSFF has paddles too behind the wheel for shifting. Plus it has

> Excuse me. But I used to own a MS FF wheel. The paddles you
> refer to are nothing more than buttons about 1"x1" in size. They
> were so small that my wrist would snap if I tried to keep both
> hands in a position so that I could always shift. Totally bogus for
> me. The logitech has real paddles much like a real F1 car (which
> has 4 paddles instead of 2).

That's a negative on the MS wheel, but I just glued some bigger plastic
paddles on the buttons, works like a charm...

Didn't you program your MS wheel while you had it?
It has 6 programmable buttons and 2 programmable "paddle" buttons.

l8er
ronny

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