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thunder 2004 setups

Willard VanderPloe

thunder 2004 setups

by Willard VanderPloe » Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:06:15

Guys - any setup sites around?

I find the supplied setups so pushy.  Terrible.

Bob

thunder 2004 setups

by Bob » Thu, 02 Oct 2003 07:44:39

If you have NR2003, just export and print out a setup and manually enter the
data into NT2004


Juss

thunder 2004 setups

by Juss » Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:32:13



Dear friend. You don't need any setups. You need Nascar 3003 season, simply
the best carsim ever. Try it and you don't need any other sim.

Larr

thunder 2004 setups

by Larr » Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:52:28

Um...

Nevermind :)

-Larry


> If you have NR2003, just export and print out a setup and manually enter
the
> data into NT2004



> > Guys - any setup sites around?

> > I find the supplied setups so pushy.  Terrible.

Willard VanderPloe

thunder 2004 setups

by Willard VanderPloe » Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:12:43

sigh - such a simple question........



viestiss?

> > Guys - any setup sites around?

> > I find the supplied setups so pushy.  Terrible.

> Dear friend. You don't need any setups. You need Nascar 3003 season,
simply
> the best carsim ever. Try it and you don't need any other sim.

Ian

thunder 2004 setups

by Ian » Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:55:35


> sigh - such a simple question........





>>> Guys - any setup sites around?

>>> I find the supplied setups so pushy.  Terrible.

>> Dear friend. You don't need any setups. You need Nascar 3003 season,
>> simply the best carsim ever. Try it and you don't need any other sim.

Such a simple answer too ;)

--

Ian P
<email invalid due to spammers>

Bruce Kennewel

thunder 2004 setups

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:14:19

Well, I'll be long dead by the time NASCAR 3003 hits the shelves.....friend.
:)

Bruce.


Bruce Kennewel

thunder 2004 setups

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:16:51

Willard, there aren't any that I can find....so far, that is.

But don't let the Papyrus snobs put you off. The racing against the AI is
excellent and as far as I have experienced in the week in which I've had the
game, I prefer it to the AI in N2003.

Bruce.


Larr

thunder 2004 setups

by Larr » Sat, 04 Oct 2003 21:48:58

The AI is definitely the weak part in NR2003.  And 2002.  And N4.

Frankly, as I see it, the AI went into the crapper when they switched over
to the GPL engine for N4.  I can't fathom why, but it just did.

Larry


> Willard, there aren't any that I can find....so far, that is.

> But don't let the Papyrus snobs put you off. The racing against the AI is
> excellent and as far as I have experienced in the week in which I've had
the
> game, I prefer it to the AI in N2003.

> Bruce.



> > Guys - any setup sites around?

> > I find the supplied setups so pushy.  Terrible.

Goy Larse

thunder 2004 setups

by Goy Larse » Sun, 05 Oct 2003 02:46:07


> The AI is definitely the weak part in NR2003.  And 2002.  And N4.

> Frankly, as I see it, the AI went into the crapper when they switched over
> to the GPL engine for N4.  I can't fathom why, but it just did.

In my opinion you're looking at the old AI with rose colored glasses
(?), it sucked back then as well :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

jason moy

thunder 2004 setups

by jason moy » Sun, 05 Oct 2003 03:12:42

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:16:51 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"


>Willard, there aren't any that I can find....so far, that is.

>But don't let the Papyrus snobs put you off. The racing against the AI is
>excellent and as far as I have experienced in the week in which I've had the
>game, I prefer it to the AI in N2003.

I have to say I feel the other way around.

I put in a few hundred laps against the AI, and never saw an AI-caused
incident or malfunction other than some really silly looking spins at
Watkins Glen since the AI tries to drive 2 and 3 wide all the way
around there.

The difficulty is bizarre as well.  With the fast setups the AI is as
much as a second off my pace, and that's at a track like Bristol which
means I end up having most of the field lapped in a 5% race.  

Oddly, they qualify way faster than they race so despite blowing them
away in Warmup/Happy Hour/Race I typically end up qualifying towards
the middle or back of the pack.  I was working on new .gdb files so
that the AI would qualify at the same speeds they do in warmup but
frankly I gave up after finding so many other things about the sim
that just don't work right (unbalanced career mode and incredibly
strange reactions to changes in setup being 2 biggies).

Jason

jason moy

thunder 2004 setups

by jason moy » Sun, 05 Oct 2003 03:13:58



I think if anything it's gotten better, or at least the ability to
make it better is there.  I'm pretty surprised none of the people who
complain about the AI in N2003 have sat down and fixed it, as we have
access to essentially the same parameters Papy does via track.ini and
.lp editing.

Jason

Larr

thunder 2004 setups

by Larr » Sun, 05 Oct 2003 05:06:54

Yes, but it was mo better then :)

-Larry



> > The AI is definitely the weak part in NR2003.  And 2002.  And N4.

> > Frankly, as I see it, the AI went into the crapper when they switched
over
> > to the GPL engine for N4.  I can't fathom why, but it just did.

> In my opinion you're looking at the old AI with rose colored glasses
> (?), it sucked back then as well :-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

Goy Larse

thunder 2004 setups

by Goy Larse » Sun, 05 Oct 2003 06:10:24


> I think if anything it's gotten better, or at least the ability to
> make it better is there.  I'm pretty surprised none of the people who
> complain about the AI in N2003 have sat down and fixed it, as we have
> access to essentially the same parameters Papy does via track.ini and
> .lp editing.

Dave Boyle is putting in a lot of work on making the AI better, he's
done a lot of work on the converted tracks that Noonan did as well as
the AI for WG-Boot, hopefully he'll find the time to work his magic on
other tracks as well

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

jason moy

thunder 2004 setups

by jason moy » Sun, 05 Oct 2003 07:43:00



Do you think there would be any interest if I were to put together
"realism packs" for the 2003 season?  I was thinking about not only
tuning the AI, but also the actual tire parameters of the tracks and
the track layouts and textures to match the 2003 season.  I'd have a
small installer that didn't overwrite existing tracks (I'd have it
create new folders called "Bristol 2003" or something similar).

I'm not entirely convinced there would be interest in this or I would
already be working on it, as full video and fairly in-depth info for
each of this year's races is pretty easy to come by.  The hardest part
would be getting people who are fairly quick to volunteer to test it
and give me sim-related data (I'd need people to run full fuel runs
and send off their laps so I could appropriately compare it to real
life and once that's done tune the AI).

Might be a bit too much work than I can handle now, but I'd at least
be interested in doing a pack of AI-tweaked track.ini files.  Only
thing I'd really need is some good laptime data from ppl who play the
sim regularly.

Jason


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