rec.autos.simulators

Is it just me or does 90% of all spins in GP2 end up backwards ?
I have had some spins that seems very unreal and it is soooo anoying!

Torgeir

Well Torgeir.. It seems, In my and othes opinion, that Microprose, in
their infinite wisdom , decided it was easier to program spins in
a (not sure of the correct terminology here) loop program instead
of modelling proper physics.  In other words, everytime you loose
the rear end, the same thing happens over and over again..
Hopefully, this can be addressed in a patch as it does take
away from a very good game otherwise

Randy

(a) This is a _sim_. It _simulates_ the actions. Accurate physical
modeling of a spin would require something like a Cray 2. The
programmers have taken a pragmatic approach and produced something
pretty close to reality - but it's never going to be real.

(b) Despite the above, it is possible to have all sorts of spins,
slides, etc. I've had 4 wheel drifts, 360 degree spins (as per Mansell
<g>), 540 degree spins, catching a spin after 90 degrees & correcting
it, etc, etc

Where the "sim" bit shows itself is that you can catch a spin with the
brakes and if you then release the brakes, it will start accelerating
the spin again!

Overall though, there is a lot of subtlety in the model. Some of these
only appear with a sufficiently subtle control mechanism - i.e. wheel
& pedals.

Cheers,
Richard

: Is it just me or does 90% of all spins in GP2 end up backwards ?
: I have had some spins that seems very unreal and it is soooo anoying!

Try getting the car into neutral during the spin.  This gives me a good
chance to control the spin.  Of course if you have the "clutch"
programmed use it instead.

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Nascar models spins resonably well..I find in gp2 the only way to
save a spin is too hammer on the brakes...real hard...which is totally
opposite to what you should do.. as i am sure you know..and If you
have not totally stopped moving and you let off the brakes, you start
to spin again.  This is no where near realistic.

I am sorry..I dont agree..You hit the brakes in a spin and you will
have no grip and will continue to go around in real life.. For real
if the rear end breaks loose,, you feather the throttle a bit and turn
into the spin...you NEVER hit your brakes until its too late..and then
thats just so you might stop before you hit something..not to save the
car from a spin.

I too have a wheel and pedals.

Appreciate your comments
Randy

:Is it just me or does 90% of all spins in GP2 end up backwards ?
:I have had some spins that seems very unreal and it is soooo anoying!
:
:Torgeir

Maybe you should take some driving lessons or attend a course ...

It's a matter of knowing when/how to steer and using the brake/throttle wisely
when you're car is in a spin...

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It looks to me they copied a bit to much code from the powerturn-routine,
although maybe .... a true F1-car could really be this hard to handle.
*I* have never driven one.[darned].
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Huhm, I've had some spins where I managed to turn 360 and with the gas
all the way down at the right moment, so not loosing too much time...

Brian

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This drives me NUTS.  I don't know if it is due to pre-programmed spins, or
simply poor physics, but when a car goes off at 180.. gets sideways and hits
the wall, it spins all over the place (i.e. ICR2), and it just feels so
darn un-natural the way GP2 loses momentum.  

I've done 360's in weird situations, but more often than not I end up
backwards.  It also seens that gp2 has pre-programmed behavior for
when you drop a wheel off course... it seems NEVER to be recoverable,
as if the code says:

        if (wheelDropped()) {
             BeginOutOfControlSequence();
        }

Now... who *really* knows what is to blame, but it sure isn't satisfying
as it is.

I think the reason for the car ending up backwards most of the time
can be logically blamed on the fact that the engine + drivetrain are in
the rear of an F1 car, therefore the rear end will be heavier.

But, I do think there is a problem with the spin model. Right now, the only
way to recover a spin is to slam on the brakes.

If you let up on the brakes before the spin ends, the spin will resume as
before without taking into account the loss of momentum from the braking
already done.

Hopefully this will be fixed sometime. I have adjusted my reactions to
be able to control oversteer and spins in GP2, by locking the brakes, but
I sure hope these reflexes to lock up the brakes do not show up in a real
emergency when I am driving my real car on the road.

Cheers.

--John
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Bye,
Luca

(Randy Peppler) says...

No, you CAN recover from a spin using opposite lock and a trim on the
accelerator. I can send you a replay if you want.

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