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OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

Kendt Eklu

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Kendt Eklu » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 13:24:49

Cripes - 4 commentators in the booth?  Isn't this a little excessive?
I was tempted to post last year about David Hobbs and Sam Posey not
liking each other, until Bob Varsha left to do the Tour de France for
one race, and it was actually pretty nice to have only 2 commentators
- not so much fighting to get a word in.
I really don't want to hear them stay just this side of an argument
(case in point  - the new guy was speculating about a problem with a
car, and Posey made a point of making sure to bring up that he was
wrong after the pit stop showed no evidence of it).
Actually I prefered the Fox Sports commentators last year, but I
suppose Fox doesn't have any money left after NASCAR ;).

Kendt

PS- OMFG!  They just now actually shut up for a few laps to let us
enjoy the car sounds!

Double

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Double » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:09:34

I kind of agree, why can't it be All-Bob Varsha, All-the-time? hehe


Douglas Elliso

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Douglas Elliso » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:15:41

You're missing the best commentary in the world - Murry Walker and Martin
Brundle...

Murray "And we're off to Brazil in two weeks time"
Martin "I'm going to Malaysia before that Murray"
Murray "Oh, I might come to"

Doug


> I kind of agree, why can't it be All-Bob Varsha, All-the-time? hehe



> > Cripes - 4 commentators in the booth?  Isn't this a little excessive?
> > I was tempted to post last year about David Hobbs and Sam Posey not
> > liking each other, until Bob Varsha left to do the Tour de France for
> > one race, and it was actually pretty nice to have only 2 commentators
> > - not so much fighting to get a word in.
> > I really don't want to hear them stay just this side of an argument
> > (case in point  - the new guy was speculating about a problem with a
> > car, and Posey made a point of making sure to bring up that he was
> > wrong after the pit stop showed no evidence of it).
> > Actually I prefered the Fox Sports commentators last year, but I
> > suppose Fox doesn't have any money left after NASCAR ;).

> > Kendt

> > PS- OMFG!  They just now actually shut up for a few laps to let us
> > enjoy the car sounds!

nix

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by nix » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:31:12

I agree with all that you say, but the "new guy" is Steve Matchett,
and knows more about modern F1 technology than all the others
combined.  Keep Hobbs for comic relief, Varsha for clarity and order,
and Matchett for color.  Give Posey to the Tour de France or NASCAR.

Now if they could just get the kind of sound they provide with
Bernie-vision....



>Cripes - 4 commentators in the booth?  Isn't this a little excessive?
>I was tempted to post last year about David Hobbs and Sam Posey not
>liking each other, until Bob Varsha left to do the Tour de France for
>one race, and it was actually pretty nice to have only 2 commentators
>- not so much fighting to get a word in.
>I really don't want to hear them stay just this side of an argument
>(case in point  - the new guy was speculating about a problem with a
>car, and Posey made a point of making sure to bring up that he was
>wrong after the pit stop showed no evidence of it).
>Actually I prefered the Fox Sports commentators last year, but I
>suppose Fox doesn't have any money left after NASCAR ;).

>Kendt

>PS- OMFG!  They just now actually shut up for a few laps to let us
>enjoy the car sounds!

Darren Dunca

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Darren Dunca » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:38:47

LOL!!

How I miss Murray - we don't get him here in Japan. In fact we have our own
Japanese version but he seemed to be missing from this race for some reason.

Darren
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: You're missing the best commentary in the world - Murry Walker and Martin
: Brundle...
:
: Murray "And we're off to Brazil in two weeks time"
: Martin "I'm going to Malaysia before that Murray"
: Murray "Oh, I might come to"
:
:
: Doug
:
:

: > I kind of agree, why can't it be All-Bob Varsha, All-the-time? hehe
: >


: > > Cripes - 4 commentators in the booth?  Isn't this a little excessive?
: > > I was tempted to post last year about David Hobbs and Sam Posey not
: > > liking each other, until Bob Varsha left to do the Tour de France for
: > > one race, and it was actually pretty nice to have only 2 commentators
: > > - not so much fighting to get a word in.
: > > I really don't want to hear them stay just this side of an argument
: > > (case in point  - the new guy was speculating about a problem with a
: > > car, and Posey made a point of making sure to bring up that he was
: > > wrong after the pit stop showed no evidence of it).
: > > Actually I prefered the Fox Sports commentators last year, but I
: > > suppose Fox doesn't have any money left after NASCAR ;).
: > >
: > > Kendt
: > >
: > > PS- OMFG!  They just now actually shut up for a few laps to let us
: > > enjoy the car sounds!
: >
: >
:
:

Mike Donnelly J

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Mike Donnelly J » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:05:19

No thank you.  Retire Posey.  Simple solution to a simple problem.  Or
better yet, keep Posey doing the F1 coverage for Speedvision.  Since I
don't have it, I won't have to put up with him.

> I agree with all that you say, but the "new guy" is Steve Matchett,
> and knows more about modern F1 technology than all the others
> combined.  Keep Hobbs for comic relief, Varsha for clarity and order,
> and Matchett for color.  Give Posey to the Tour de France or NASCAR.

> Now if they could just get the kind of sound they provide with
> Bernie-vision....



> >Cripes - 4 commentators in the booth?  Isn't this a little excessive?
> >I was tempted to post last year about David Hobbs and Sam Posey not
> >liking each other, until Bob Varsha left to do the Tour de France for
> >one race, and it was actually pretty nice to have only 2 commentators
> >- not so much fighting to get a word in.
> >I really don't want to hear them stay just this side of an argument
> >(case in point  - the new guy was speculating about a problem with a
> >car, and Posey made a point of making sure to bring up that he was
> >wrong after the pit stop showed no evidence of it).
> >Actually I prefered the Fox Sports commentators last year, but I
> >suppose Fox doesn't have any money left after NASCAR ;).

> >Kendt

> >PS- OMFG!  They just now actually shut up for a few laps to let us
> >enjoy the car sounds!

Kendt Eklu

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Kendt Eklu » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:21:19


>I agree with all that you say, but the "new guy" is Steve Matchett,
>and knows more about modern F1 technology than all the others
>combined.  Keep Hobbs for comic relief, Varsha for clarity and order,
>and Matchett for color.  Give Posey to the Tour de France or NASCAR.

>Now if they could just get the kind of sound they provide with
>Bernie-vision....

Sorry, I'd forgot the new guy's name.  Yeah - I definitely get the
impression that Sam feels most threatened by the change.  Maybe
something's in the air.  Speedvision hinted at some news about thier
coverage between now and the Malaysia race...

Kendt

Thom j

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Thom j » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 07:34:00

Honest Question? Btw: What is it with Sam Posey? Apparently he
hops from one arena of racing to another. Anyone know whats the
poop on this?.....Cheers Thom_j.



<snipped>
| > I was tempted to post last year about David Hobbs and Sam Posey
| > not liking each other,
<snipped again>
| > (case in point  - the new guy was speculating about a problem with a
| > car, and Posey made a point of making sure to bring up that he was
| > wrong after the pit stop showed no evidence of it).
<snipped again>

Mike Donnelly J

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Mike Donnelly J » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 07:42:52

No one wants him.

> Honest Question? Btw: What is it with Sam Posey? Apparently he
> hops from one arena of racing to another. Anyone know whats the
> poop on this?.....Cheers Thom_j.



> <snipped>
> | > I was tempted to post last year about David Hobbs and Sam Posey
> | > not liking each other,
> <snipped again>
> | > (case in point  - the new guy was speculating about a problem with a
> | > car, and Posey made a point of making sure to bring up that he was
> | > wrong after the pit stop showed no evidence of it).
> <snipped again>

Thom j

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Thom j » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:33:55

Thanks Mike!!! I thought so and wanted to say it but I thought I'd present
it in the question form to keep me out of the **flame-arena** hahaha <g>
Cheers Thom_j.



| No one wants him.
|
|
|
| > Honest Question? Btw: What is it with Sam Posey? Apparently he
| > hops from one arena of racing to another. Anyone know whats the
| > poop on this?.....Cheers Thom_j.
| >


| > <snipped>
| > | > I was tempted to post last year about David Hobbs and Sam Posey
| > | > not liking each other,
| > <snipped again>
| > | > (case in point  - the new guy was speculating about a problem with a
| > | > car, and Posey made a point of making sure to bring up that he was
| > | > wrong after the pit stop showed no evidence of it).
| > <snipped again>
|

Dave Henri

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Dave Henri » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:45:07

  Actually Speedvision has a fairly small staff and most of the announcers
cover
mulitple subjects.  Posey is like Hobbs, in that they both drove at a time
when drivers
raced in all sorts of series.  F1, Trans Am, Nascar, Indycar, Sportscars.
So his experience
is widespread.  He is a slow talking Texan but not as bad as Hobbs used to
be on
ESPN's F1 broadcasts when he was often sloshed on the job.  :)  Prost and
his Koop de GRACIE comes to mind :)
dave henrie


> No one wants him.


> > Honest Question? Btw: What is it with Sam Posey? Apparently he
> > hops from one arena of racing to another. Anyone know whats the
> > poop on this?.....Cheers Thom_j.



> > <snipped>
> > | > I was tempted to post last year about David Hobbs and Sam Posey
> > | > not liking each other,
> > <snipped again>
> > | > (case in point  - the new guy was speculating about a problem with a
> > | > car, and Posey made a point of making sure to bring up that he was
> > | > wrong after the pit stop showed no evidence of it).
> > <snipped again>

Jeff Vince

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Jeff Vince » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:25:59



   Is Posey a Texan?  I always thought he was a well-educated New
Englander (with training in architecture and/or literature?)...  More
the George Plimpton type than the the A. J. Foyt type...

(Enough '70s references there?  Man, I'm feeling old...  :)

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Barton Brow

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Barton Brow » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:50:38


>   Actually Speedvision has a fairly small staff and most of the announcers cover
> mulitple subjects.  Posey is like Hobbs, in that they both drove at a time
> when drivers raced in all sorts of series.  F1, Trans Am, Nascar, Indycar, Sportscars.
> So his experience is widespread.  He is a slow talking Texan but not as bad as Hobbs used to
> be on ESPN's F1 broadcasts when he was often sloshed on the job.  :)  Prost and
> his Koop de GRACIE comes to mind :)

Dave -- Was this meant to be a joke, or have you been reading the
Orlando Senile again?
ESPN is owned by ABC, which in turn is owned by Capital Cities and they
all share commentators and crew with Speedvision, which is owned by
someone in the mix, but damned if I know whom. Be that as may, ESPN has
a fairly large staff -- I used to live in Bristol, CT, where ESPN is
HQ'd. Not even counting the NASCAR commentators shared among those
entities, you have Silent Sam (Texan? Not quite -- he grew up with a
large silver spoon in his mouth in Sharon, CT, in the Berkshires, a
stone's throw from Lime Rock), Dyvid 'obbs (sloshed? I've been to a
Lotus Owners' Group party with Hobbs -- he's about as much of a drinker
as Carrie Nation, though he will have a beer, thank you -- he DOES like
to joke around on air a lot), Steve Matchett (ex-Benetton wrench), Bob
Varsha, Mike Joy, Dorsey Schroeder (TransAm), Derek Bell, Glen Jarrett
(Dale's bro), Calvin Fish, Doug Nye (an excellent writer), Alan
deCadenet, the ever-annoying John Bisignano, Paul Page, Dr. Jerry Punch,
 and a huge bunch of No-Namos.

IMHO, there are too many people in the commentator booth for ESPN's F1
coverage (IMHO, there are too many people in the booth when Sam Posey's
there alone...). I gotta say, though, even worse than Sam was Sam with
Bobby Unser -- when it sounded like they were gonna punch each other out
any minute -- and Sam and Bobby with Danny Sullivan -- who, if he's not
actually really, really, REALLY dumb, certainly sounds like it.

Word I got from a very secret squirrel is that Sam is a golden boy with
ABC, even though they get reams of letters asking if he couldn't be
assigned to, like, snowmobile racing or "The Wonderful World of Newts"
or something. He's been with them for a long, long time.

Then there's the (excuse me while I gag) DEAN OF AMERICAN MOTORSPORTS
JOURNALISTS, Chris "What's it like out there?" Economaki, who could
single-handedly make the most exciting race sound like a seventh-inning
slump in a sandlot league ball game. Thanks God he's in semi-retirement.
He makes Leon Mandel sound erudite.

Best race announcer regardless of category? Hands down, Ned Jarrett --
and I'm not a huge NASCAR fan. He's quiet, knows what he's talking
about, and gentlemanly. He should run classes for some of the other ninnies.

ymenar

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by ymenar » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:22:02


I don't think you can ever get lower then that.  When did that happen
Bartus?

English-Canada had to suffer Bobby Unser/Brian Williams during the IndyCar
races in Toronto/Vancouver and the F1GP in Montral until last year.  From
flipping channels during French commercials, Bobby Unser is the WORST racing
announcer ever.  Period.  He always said the same thing each race. "That's
not smoke that's water smoke!", or the famous SEEMENT walls.  He also had
the guts to insult Paul Tracy all the time on National Canadian TV.

Brian Williams : "Thank you Bobby, I know you have a plane to catch"
(Brian had to show that Bobby is a "big shot" and makes an appearence on
Canadian TV each race by telling that)

Bobby Unser :  "Now Tham thar is cawled marbuls, And tham thar thangs are
rolled up lattle-itty-bitty pieces of the tahrs, an' if ya's drive over
tham, ya's might wand up hittin' that thar see-ment wall..."

-- when it sounded like they were gonna punch each other out
ninnies.

Kevin Gavit

OT: Speedvision F1 - *4* commentators?!

by Kevin Gavit » Wed, 07 Mar 2001 02:13:52




> >  Actually Speedvision has a fairly small staff and most of the
announcers
> >cover
> >mulitple subjects.  Posey is like Hobbs, in that they both drove at a
time
> >when drivers
> >raced in all sorts of series.  F1, Trans Am, Nascar, Indycar, Sportscars.
> >So his experience
> >is widespread.  He is a slow talking Texan but not as bad as Hobbs used
to
> >be on
> >ESPN's F1 broadcasts when he was often sloshed on the job.  :)  Prost and
> >his Koop de GRACIE comes to mind :)

>    Is Posey a Texan?  I always thought he was a well-educated New
> Englander (with training in architecture and/or literature?)...  More
> the George Plimpton type than the the A. J. Foyt type...

> (Enough '70s references there?  Man, I'm feeling old...  :)

You are correct sir. Sam was born in NYC, but he grew up in Sharon Ct.

Why Sharon Ct? Because that was the office location of Lime Rock Park, which
his family owned. Not a bad leg up in the race driver biz.

Sam, by the way, was the first person ever to lap LRP in an FV without
lifting. Flat ***ing out, as they say. It had been deemed impossible until
Sam went and pissed everybody off by actually doing it.

Sam may come across as a putz more often than not, ( my favorite "Poseyism"
is the "Ferrari Fact" that " all Ferrari Sports and GP championships were
won with 12 cylinder engines"), but he really wasn't a bad little driver.

Way is he used as a commentator? Well, has it occured to people that he
really IS among the more presentable ex-drivers?

If Revson had lived, if Amon wern't so into his sheep ( no cracks please),
If Jarier wern't too well adjusted to have anything to do with it, perhaps
we would have better color commentary.

Lets's face it. You know the old saying. " Those who can't do, teach. Those
who can't teach, criticise."

Color commentators were those that were busy doing, they have no special
skills or training at speaking. They arn't in the booth because they can
talk, they're in the booth because they used to be able to drive.

It's when you let the *Color* commentators run the show that you get into
trouble.

KFG


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