rec.autos.simulators

Ok I've been patient and haven't posted any (when will the patch be
here) articles as of yet.  I'm starting to get fed up with this shit
now.  My friend and I have raced talladega for the last time until a
patch comes out.  PAPYRUS,  SIERRA  are you listening  I'm tired of
slamming into the back of a car on caution laps when cars pit.
it seems that the cars that are gonna stay out on the track stop while
the cars that are pitting go into the pit.  As usual I wind up under
the Ass end of the stopped cars.  I would say that N2 is the best Sim
available (if it weren't for the quirks we've encountered).  But  I do
know  I can say (and I think I speak for all of us) Papyrus/Sierra
Your customer service SUX.  Flame me if you want but like I said this
is the first time I've posted anything negative about the patch and
I'm so pissed off right now I really dont give a shit.  Just my 2
cents worth.

I feel the same way.  I have been quiet for the last 3 months.
(Everyone deserves a chance).  I think I would feel better if they
said the patch was 6 months away.  That way I could uninstall it off
of my computer and free up the HD space.  That way I won't get
frustrated playing a 100% race and......(you know)  I could have used
my $55 +tax to buy the 3 LinksLS Libs.  Then I could get frustrated
hitting the ball into the water.  Yes, I would get my money back if I
could.  I held on to the game in hopes that the patch would be out
soon.  

Why do software companies get away with software with bugs?  Should we
be intitled to damages if they release software with bugs?  This maybe
the future to get games without bugs!

Hint: Do not announce a product until it is bug free, then take the
time to get your marketing together.  Your company will enjoy more
profits and a ever happy customer.  Software companies make software
for customers who inturn pay for that software and pay salaries and
bills of the software company.  

Take a poll to see how many people did not purchase your software
(NASCAR 2) because of bugs in the programing.  You find the results
surprising.

This not meant as a flame towards your company.  Introducing bugged
software because of "deadlines"  has become a bad industry standard
that hurts us the customer.  You have taken Racing simulations to a
new standard.  I would also like to see your company take the problem
of bugged software releasing to a new, and higher standard.

Randy Young

"Bogart" on Hawaii
Links LS Tour Member #475

I have written several letters to this newsgroup as well as Adam L., Jim
S. and Sierra in general concerning the patch (lack of for N2).  In
surfing over to SimSpeed's N2 utilities page tonight
(http://www.git.net/simspeed/n2util.html) the thought crossed my mind
that with all of these "hacked" (sorry guys, that's not meant to offend
anyone) patches, why in the world can't the manufacturers of the game
come up with a patch ???????  Seems like everyone else is fixing
Sierra's problem child!!!  I have listened to lame excuses for going on
6 months now and I am tired of it!  I don't even play the game as much
as I used to just because I'm ticked at Sierra's lack of concern for
their consumers.  
I'm sure I'll get flamed (again) over my "moaning" but, hey this is
America, I purchased the product and I have the right to complain!  
Would someone at Sierra catch a hint/clue!!!

John Parker

"Bogart" on Hawaii
Links LS Tour Member #475

I agree with you, Seems these software companies forgot the words SUPPORT,
Customer satisfaction, Quality, and Complete Beta Testing.
Almost EVERY single game that has come out in the past few years is Bugged
up in some way. The good companies at least respond with patches or FAQ's
or
Tell Thier customers that they are working on a fix\Fixes.
Sierra has done nothing.
Only Jim has spoke up about some stuff.
When an automotive company has a recall, They fix the defective part.
When you buy something at the store and it does not work or you are not
satisfied you bring it back.
When you buy a game and it does not work right or is missing things,
etc,etc,
YOU ARE ***ED.
These ( opened software cannot be refunded BULLSHIT rules need to be
changed )
So there.

Mr Bill

If you bought a buggy game from one of those fly-by-night stores
that disallows returns even when the product clearly doesn't do
what's advertised on the box, talk to the manager.  They'll usually
do the right thing if you're persistent.  If not, tell him that you
don't agree to the (always ridiculous) software license agreement
and would like to return the software to the place of purchase for
a full refund, as detailed in the license agreement.  If that doesn't
work, you have two options: either try for a refund through the game
company, or chargeback your credit card and make the store fight
your bank or credit card company.

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Having trouble with reading newsgroups.  Is the patch out yet?

Yes you will get flamed.  Your point is certainly a valid one, but
have you really been hearing excuses about a patch since two months
before the game was released?

                                John

We all want the Patch, but if Pappy/Sierra don't have it ready then you
don't need it yet..
I must say, you seem to be very bright, to bad your wasting your time
away, staring at the clock on the wall, and asking " Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?"
Would it help if I told you that it will be released in January of 1998?
There, theres the date, (if it show up any sooner, it's a BONUS for
you!)

I'm sure I'll get flamed (again) over my "moaning" but, hey this is
  Yeah, well im an American to pal, So what do you want a flag
stuffed    down your throat? Here's an idea, get a clue of what a
schedule means
  when they release the patch you can have it. JUST STOP YOUR WHINING!

"Excuse me, Could I have some cheese with this WHINE!"

Steel

     Sounds like you have more money than sense! If I know
 the software companies,they'll probably say it's ready!In the
  form of N3 and have their greedy little hands out for some
 more money! Hell.He's got a right to *** and people have their
 own opinions how they feel,after all they paid for it,so if is a
   problem for you then go *** at somebody else somewhere
 else,or shut up! Nuff the F**K said!

Crowe) Date: 24 Apr 1997 07:24:17 GMT Message-ID:

     Sounds like you have more money than sense! If I know  the software
companies,they'll probably say it's ready!In the   form of N3 and have
their greedy little hands out for some  more money! Hell.He's got a right
to *** and people have their  own opinions how they feel,after all they
paid for it,so if is a     problem for you then go *** at somebody else
somewhere  else,or shut up! Nuff the F**K said! <

EXACTLY!!!!   Overly patient people like yourself make those greedy
software companies like $ierra very happy.   Wait a minute, maybe YOU are
a $ierra spy!!  We're onto you..........

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Jason Nichols

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http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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WOW!    lighten up!

You can stop with your lame *** stories now. Looks like the patch
will be out very soon, if not this week. I took longer than expected
because they were having trouble with it.