rec.autos.simulators

Hello Ed,
              I have been one of the patient ones in this newsgroup.
As I sift through all the headers each day and see how many have lost
patience with all the anticipation regarding the release of the IRCII
patch, I have tried to comprehend your position while defending the
"delay" issue on your part. I do, however, recall it being stated that
the Windows95 upgrade was to be included with the patch at question.
It would seem like the powers - possibly "Sierra" have chosen to
change this. Could you please elaborate on the previous posts from
Rick regarding this bit of confusion. I hate to say it but I am
feeling a little like others now but I will not start slamming you.
Just losing my faith in Papyrus and Sierra a little.

Thanks,

Anthony

Ed,
I have also been one of the quiet ones on the "patch" but
you're gonna lose some loyal followers on this one. Do you
have an official response?
Chuck

: Hello Ed,
: I have been one of the patient ones in this newsgroup.
: <snip>
: Could you please elaborate on the previous posts from
: Just losing my faith in Papyrus and Sierra a little.

: "The patch" is a DOS-only patch.  It brings the DOS version up to date
: with the DOS version in the retail package you saw (that package has
: DOS Win 95 & Mac on 1 CD).  It (the patch) does not change the DOS
: version to Win 95.

The DOS to Win 95 patch is too big for a downloadable update.
Papyrus/Sierra is working out the details, but the plan is to provide
current owners of DOS ICR II a means to get the new CD & user's guide
for essentially cost of handling. Something along the lines of "send
back your old CD & we'll send out a new one.

That's all the details I have for now.  As soon as I know more, so
will you!

Ed Martin
Producer, Series Director
NASCAR Racing League
Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.

 >OK... here's the latest...
 >
 >The DOS to Win 95 patch is too big for a downloadable update.
 >Papyrus/Sierra is working out the details, but the plan is to provide
 >current owners of DOS ICR II a means to get the new CD & user's guide
 >for essentially cost of handling. Something along the lines of "send
 >back your old CD & we'll send out a new one.
 >
 >That's all the details I have for now.  As soon as I know more, so
 >will you!

Now this is starting to sound good!  I can't wait to rip around the track
knowing that I can wait for a yellow to pit!  This means there will be more to
strategy then figuring out the least amount of fuel to carry at the start!

Clark Archer    Speed Tribe
IVGA #3920      1996 Lola Honda Firestone

: OK... here's the latest...

: The DOS to Win 95 patch is too big for a downloadable update.
: Papyrus/Sierra is working out the details, but the plan is to provide
: current owners of DOS ICR II a means to get the new CD & user's guide
: for essentially cost of handling. Something along the lines of "send
: back your old CD & we'll send out a new one.

Thanks for the update.  This means I will have to clear up some space on
my harddrive for a full installation of ICR2.  As you may have guessed I
am ***ed to virtual racing.  Of course I could spend the down time
perfecting some of my NASCAR talents ;)  You have to be careful here, if
(and that's a big IF) Microprose gets GP2 out before Christmas, you just
might lose a couple of ICR2 ***s while their CD is in the "garage
area" awaiting to new engine!

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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Thanks for keeping us informed!
Very much appreciated,

Ron

: The DOS to Win 95 patch is too big for a downloadable update.
: Papyrus/Sierra is working out the details, but the plan is to provide
: current owners of DOS ICR II a means to get the new CD & user's guide
: for essentially cost of handling. Something along the lines of "send
: back your old CD & we'll send out a new one.

I can live with this... just let me know when and where to send my stuff!

And just how BIG is a file that is "too big for a downloadable update"?

bill

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Hi!

Are european icr2 users included in this plan?

l8r
ronny

Basically, we realized it was a bad idea and not worth the effort...
But while I don't know the plans, like you I've heard the new plan
is to offer some sort of trade-up policy where you'd get the new
CD with Dos/Win95/Mac versions of ICR2. Again, I have nothing
to do with this new plan, so I have no idea what it's final shape will
be or when it'll be offered. So don't bother asking... ;-)

/scott

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Scott Marison, Software Engineer
Sierra On-Line/Papyrus Division

That's all fine and good, but is there still a DOS patch in the works?

Neil
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: >
: >Basically, we realized it was a bad idea and not worth the effort...
: >But while I don't know the plans, like you I've heard the new plan
: >is to offer some sort of trade-up policy where you'd get the new
: >CD with Dos/Win95/Mac versions of ICR2. Again, I have nothing
: >to do with this new plan, so I have no idea what it's final shape will
: >be or when it'll be offered. So don't bother asking... ;-)

:  Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!! Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!! Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!
: Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, that says alot, but it doesn't say much to me.  I have been very
vocal about my displeasure with the ways things "seem" to have changed
regarding the "upgrade" to the Win95 version.  At least you could let
us know what you consider to be "Bullshit".  Until I hear the "plans"
for the upgrade, I can't really comment.  

So far the Papyrus reps have been doing a good job filling us in on the
progress (all be it the progress is sl-o-o-ow).  It is just as I
projected, a bean-counter realized it was not cost-effective to
"produce" a patch-upgrade to Win95.  This makes sense, it's obvious.
Does it let Sierra/Papyrus off the hook?  Not in my book.  

I am glad that Scott hazarded the "throws of arrows" to give us some
insight into the situation.  (What a terrible sentence! -- and English
is my native tongue!  I should be ashamed.) I am reserving judgement...

Of of course you forgot to quote the important part of Scott's message:
"it's not only that it'd be large, but also the manpower required
to do the patch... there are other issues that we didn't take into
account when this idea came up... Stuff such as DirectX installation,
Win95 Registry issues, and also the Sierra installer/uninstaller."

Of course he was replying to comments made earlier about the "reasoning"
behind not providing a downloadable upgrade.  Which was "Bullshit" in my
book.  I truly believe Scott's latest reason is a good solid one.  It
doesn't answer the question we all have been waiting to hear, but I am
sure when they have an answer, we'll hear it.  Until then the jury is
still out...

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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        Karl

        Sick of waiting for the patch that was promised weeks ago - Who does
        Papy think they are, Microprose?  Maybe they hired MP's marketing
        director?