rec.autos.simulators

Scott,
           Seems to be mass confusion forming from this thread. I
believe you are refering to the Win95/ICR2 upgrade (patch) which is
not planned as a patch, correct, but rather being worked out as you
stated for an exchange type program. The Dos-fix (patch) for ICR2 is
still in testing at Sierra and soon to be available via download,
correct? Please clear this up.

Thanks,

Ron

: I am glad that Scott hazarded the "throws of arrows" to give us some
: insight into the situation.  (What a terrible sentence! -- and English
: is my native tongue!  I should be ashamed.) I am reserving judgement...

Okay, I don't know why my brains so fogged.  Maybe I have hit the wall
one too many times in ICR2 :)

I think the quote I was searching for is something more in the line of:
"suffer the slings and arrows".

Well I am headed for the in-field medical center, hopefully the doctors
will release me so I can head back out to the track....

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Anthony Bulloch.

/scott

p.s. learn some manners... maybe you forget,
but there are real live people on the receiving
end of your attempt at communication.

--
Scott Marison, Software Engineer
Sierra On-Line/Papyrus Division

: This is a VERY bad thing to say, doesn't anyone at Sierra/Papyrus
: understand "ethics" you can't say stuff like this and expect people to
: feel sorry for you WE paid for the product, maybe next time we will
: think it's not worth the EFFORT and get a PIRATED copy, it's
: certinally out there but at the moment I am exercising my ethics and
: not willing to break any laws to prove a point.

I sympathize with you on this one.  I have had to restrain myself from
going down to my local software store and buying a copy of the "fixed"
version, installing it, and then returning the copy for a full refund.
Unfortunately that approach brings more innocents into this stinking
abyss.

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Scott

You're so right, but, just a thought, but I think there are many more
here who respect your presence and postings than those vocal minority
always pissing people off

Joseph

Keith

Randy

Another valuable asset to the group disappears, drowned under a weight
of vitriolic taurean scatology.

Good work people....
John

PS - Most will be sorry to see you go Scott, maybe you can stage a
comeback if you find the twit-filte...em, kill-file on your newsreader?

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On Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:56:12 +0100, John Wallace

< vitriolic taurean scatology.

Let's see.... 3 - $1.50  words........ That earns you a grand total
$4.50 US.  :-)

Dave "davids" Sparks
Sequoia Motorsports

And while we feel bad for you that people are flaming you, you need to
appreciate why some people are feeling so angry. It has been 8 months
for those of us who bought ICR2 in november, and nobody has leveled
with us as to why we haven't had a fix for some debilitating bugs in
ICR2. I haven't used ICR2 in a long time; the bugs just make it not
worth the energy I need to put in to it (esp. the weight shift bug).
Now there is a supposedly working version out with all sorts of
frills, and the original buyers, clearly those people who care the
most about the product and serve as Papyrus' most faithful customers,
are sitting on the sidelines wondering why they can't use the product
they paid for long, long ago. On top of that, we discover that Papyrus
now believes it was a bad idea to offer the new fully working version
to the original customers... this is unbearable. Of course a company
would think this is a bad idea; they have our money, and there is
nothing we can do about it. Some people are going to flame, and if
that is a surprise to you, you must be new to the debacle that has
been brewing since christmas.

I feel intuitively that the Sierra buyout had something to do with the
sudden change in quality of Papyrus' support of their products. If
Sierra isn't going to honor Papyrus' original customers, I know for
one that this customer won't be a customer of Sierra anymore. And I
think I speak for a lot of people in this newsgroup.

Anyway, sorry you have been flamed; your posts have been unusually
open and fresh for those of us that have been following the progress
so far. I hope you change your mind and stick with your product
online.

Aww c'mon - it was on a triple word score.... :)

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reguard to reality...

Mike

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