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GP3 easier than GP2?

big..

GP3 easier than GP2?

by big.. » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Does anyone feel that GP3 is easier than GP2?

I'm running Ace with no help at all and it's
easier than I think it should be, aside from
being able to ride lots of kerbs with no
effect and the car seems to be almost
indestructible.

I'm hoping some forthcoming editors will
make it possible to alter hp and handling
characteristics.

Does anyone think GP2 is easier than GP3 perhaps?

BTW, I'm using a crapped out, waiting-for-LWFF, T2.
-Nick

Frank Roger Vange

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Frank Roger Vange » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00


I was thinking the same thing. I mean if I run GP2 on ace with all helps off
there's no way I would qualify on pole. But in GP3 I was surprised of how
fast I was running straight away. Also, I feel my car is quicker on ace than
on semi-pro... I mean... that it becomes quicker without me changing
anything in the setup. ( Sorry, cant say it in english very good ).
And the car is v e r y solid... Im sure there will be some editors along
shortly...

Frank

Chris Wrigh

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Chris Wrigh » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Easier may not be the word - how about more realistic?

The simple truth is that many of the best sims of the past, and yes I
include GPL, have been unrealistically difficult, to my mind - though
wonderfully challenging of course.

The genius of GP3 is that it allows you to put consistently lappery, but it
still punishes you for the slightest error on your part - a big difference
in comparison to GPL.

Seriously, if the cars were as difficult to drive in real life as they are
in GPL, the already unacceptable death rate in that era of F1 would have
descended into the realms of mass carnage.

The more I play GP3, the more of its genius is revealed. The weather effects
are a devastating addition to the race sim genre.

Why are so many people dwelling on the faults of the game? You don't hear
too many squeals about the lack of weather in GPL - or indeed its inability
to save a race in progress...


Chris Wrigh

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Chris Wrigh » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Easier may not be the word - how about more realistic?

The simple truth is that many of the best sims of the past, and yes I
include GPL, have been unrealistically difficult, to my mind - though
wonderfully challenging of course.

The genius of GP3 is that it allows you to put consistently lappery, but it
still punishes you for the slightest error on your part - a big difference
in comparison to GPL.

Seriously, if the cars were as difficult to drive in real life as they are
in GPL, the already unacceptable death rate in that era of F1 would have
descended into the realms of mass carnage.

The more I play GP3, the more of its genius is revealed. The weather effects
are a devastating addition to the race sim genre.

Why are so many people dwelling on the faults of the game? You don't hear
too many squeals about the lack of weather in GPL - or indeed its inability
to save a race in progress...


Lorne Glustei

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Lorne Glustei » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00


> Seriously, if the cars were as difficult to drive in real life as they are
> in GPL, the already unacceptable death rate in that era of F1 would have
> descended into the realms of mass carnage.

This had me ROTFL .....very funny, and I agree :)

All the best,
Lorne

clon

GP3 easier than GP2?

by clon » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I feel that GP3 is harder than GP2, but this only applies if your
right on the edge of the envelope.


Eldre

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Eldre » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00



>Why are so many people dwelling on the faults of the game? You don't hear
>too many squeals about the lack of weather in GPL - or indeed its inability
>to save a race in progress...

Actually, people DO complain that you can't save races in GPL, including me.
That makes it tough to do a 100% race...
I don't complain about the lack of weather because I have enough problems on a
DRY track...<g>

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Alexander Mar

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Alexander Mar » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

agreed. Much harder to do those *perfect* laps consistently.

Michael E. Carve

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Michael E. Carve » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00


% Easier may not be the word - how about more realistic?

If F1 cars were so easy to drive we would all be F1 pilots (who needs a
day job?).

% The simple truth is that many of the best sims of the past, and yes I
% include GPL, have been unrealistically difficult, to my mind - though
% wonderfully challenging of course.

If one just wants to plop into a seat and drive like it was their family
sedan, yes they would appear "unrealistically difficult".  But a F1 car
is not a family sedan.

% The genius of GP3 is that it allows you to put consistently lappery, but it
% still punishes you for the slightest error on your part - a big difference
% in comparison to GPL.

That's Geoff's approach to simulation (more game play -- less realism).
There is nothing wrong with this, it's just different....

% Seriously, if the cars were as difficult to drive in real life as they are
% in GPL, the already unacceptable death rate in that era of F1 would have
% descended into the realms of mass carnage.

We've been there and debated this to death....

% The more I play GP3, the more of its genius is revealed. The weather effects
% are a devastating addition to the race sim genre.

% Why are so many people dwelling on the faults of the game? You don't hear
% too many squeals about the lack of weather in GPL - or indeed its inability
% to save a race in progress...

Well when GPL came out we did bemoan these missing features, but we also
accepted the fact that Papy wasn't going to give us weather or alter
their no save race in progress approach...  We opted to get on with life
and enjoy GPL for what it did give us....  Great physics, online play
and an ever challenging race car simulator.

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HJ Ventur

GP3 easier than GP2?

by HJ Ventur » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Just a question. When you say no help. Do you only mean no driving aids or
did you also went to 'controls/advanced' to turn off the steering help??



big..

GP3 easier than GP2?

by big.. » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I mean no driving aids and no steering help
-Nick

> Just a question. When you say no help. Do you only mean no driving aids or
> did you also went to 'controls/advanced' to turn off the steering help??


>> Does anyone feel that GP3 is easier than GP2?

>> I'm running Ace with no help at all and it's
>> easier than I think it should be, aside from
>> being able to ride lots of kerbs with no
>> effect and the car seems to be almost
>> indestructible.

>> I'm hoping some forthcoming editors will
>> make it possible to alter hp and handling
>> characteristics.

>> Does anyone think GP2 is easier than GP3 perhaps?

>> BTW, I'm using a crapped out, waiting-for-LWFF, T2.
>> -Nick

hanse..

GP3 easier than GP2?

by hanse.. » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I've often thought that if real life f-1 driving was as hard as GPL
they'd have changed the name to "F-1 DeathSport" and started marketing
it like WWF. However, racing sims are in a bit of a catch-22.
Including realistic physics and car behaviour without all the cues a
reallife driver has (real nice graphics, binocular vision, can feel
the suspension, brake pushes back, fairly expensive control
equipment--probably a bit more resolution that your msff wheel) makes
the car hard to drive.  That is why track knowledge and braking
points, sound cues, and a decent controller are so important in games
like GPL. They are all you have. However, once you've got the visual
cues down and have a feel for the car--learned to substitute
visual/sound cues for Everything Else, you forget what you are
missing, accept they model as "reality" and become immersed in the
simulation. This, I think, is the goal of all good race game
developers and all have different ways to do accojmplish this.
Likewise, just as in books and movies, people differ as to what "pulls
them in" hence the wide array of opinions on this ng.

Chris

 On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:40:22 +0100, "Chris Wright"


>Easier may not be the word - how about more realistic?

>The simple truth is that many of the best sims of the past, and yes I
>include GPL, have been unrealistically difficult, to my mind - though
>wonderfully challenging of course.

>The genius of GP3 is that it allows you to put consistently lappery, but it
>still punishes you for the slightest error on your part - a big difference
>in comparison to GPL.

>Seriously, if the cars were as difficult to drive in real life as they are
>in GPL, the already unacceptable death rate in that era of F1 would have
>descended into the realms of mass carnage.

>The more I play GP3, the more of its genius is revealed. The weather effects
>are a devastating addition to the race sim genre.

>Why are so many people dwelling on the faults of the game? You don't hear
>too many squeals about the lack of weather in GPL - or indeed its inability
>to save a race in progress...



>> Does anyone feel that GP3 is easier than GP2?

>> I'm running Ace with no help at all and it's
>> easier than I think it should be, aside from
>> being able to ride lots of kerbs with no
>> effect and the car seems to be almost
>> indestructible.

>> I'm hoping some forthcoming editors will
>> make it possible to alter hp and handling
>> characteristics.

>> Does anyone think GP2 is easier than GP3 perhaps?

>> BTW, I'm using a crapped out, waiting-for-LWFF, T2.
>> -Nick

Peter Hoope

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Peter Hoope » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Well, in some ways yes it does seem easier. However, I actually put this
down in part to the fact that I am a much better sim driver now as a result
of GPL than when I was playing GP2. About 3 or 4 months ago I decided to
install GP2 on my new pc after not having run it for quite some time and I
found that I was much more competitive and consistent than I had managed to
be before. I was actually able to catch some of the spins that I know would
have previously seen me going around like a top and can only assume that
this is as a result of 2 things.. 1) Improved ability after many months of
GPL and 2) Better controllers than when playing GP2 before.

I may be totally off base in these assumptions but that's definately the
impression I get.

Regards

PH


Aral

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Aral » Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:00:00

<SNIP>

Well, there is a thing about this racing simulators, They can't be too real,
like
GPL is, because you don't have perception of the speed , if it was real, you
would
go a lot slower into the corners. GPL is too real, but unreal at the same
time, because
you don't feel the speed. That's where playability cames, a game needs to
combine
the reality but also the fact that it is a computer game, in order to be a
good game,
and I think GP2 and GP3 do that. GPL don't. But that's My opinion off
course.

Regars

Gunnar Horrigm

GP3 easier than GP2?

by Gunnar Horrigm » Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:00:00


> Why are so many people dwelling on the faults of the game? You don't hear
> too many squeals about the lack of weather in GPL - or indeed its inability
> to save a race in progress...

save in progress?  yeah, that's a good simulation.

imho, they should throw out pause too.

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