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Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

David G Fishe

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by David G Fishe » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:14:45

It uses the GPL physics. Better graphics. Better multiplayer. More features.

It comes straight from GPL's womb.

Why do some of you continue to say that GPL is the best sim ever?

David G Fisher

Jens H. Kruus

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by Jens H. Kruus » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:19:46

I prefer the cars and the tracks in GPL. I don't like "Stock" cars or ovals.

/Jens
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"...GPL is the best sim ever"
David G. Fisher


> It uses the GPL physics. Better graphics. Better multiplayer. More features.

> It comes straight from GPL's womb.

> Why do some of you continue to say that GPL is the best sim ever?

> David G Fisher

(Rich#8

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by (Rich#8 » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:31:21

While I do enjoy N4, IMHO GPL provides a more enjoyable, responsive,
on the edge driving experience then N4. Stockcars are a challenge on
road courses but they simply aren't anywhere near as fun as vintage F1
cars.

If I had to choose between a Shelby Cobra 427 sim or a Ferrari Modena
sim, I'd choose the Cobra everytime, small chassis, big engine cars
are simply a blast to drive.

atleast thats my belief  ;-)



RenderedBri

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by RenderedBri » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:26:33



But it's not a military helicopter sim.  So, i don't like it!

I don't think GPL is the best sim ever.

<ducks>

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David G Fishe

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by David G Fishe » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:40:07

Ok, I should of said "Auto Sim". :-)

David G Fisher




> > It uses the GPL physics. Better graphics. Better multiplayer. More
> > features.

> But it's not a military helicopter sim.  So, i don't like it!

> > It comes straight from GPL's womb.

> > Why do some of you continue to say that GPL is the best sim ever?

> I don't think GPL is the best sim ever.

> <ducks>

> --
> brian
> - Turn up the heat to reply -

Jan Verschuere

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by Jan Verschuere » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:57:52

No need, I got a feeling you're going to get away with it.

Jan. ;-)
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John

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by John » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:14:55

My left eye is glass. lol

John G


>It uses the GPL physics. Better graphics. Better multiplayer. More
features.

>It comes straight from GPL's womb.

>Why do some of you continue to say that GPL is the best sim ever?

>David G Fisher

Scott B. Huste

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by Scott B. Huste » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:21:23

For me, this is a loaded question, but I will give my take anyways.

For me, N4 doesn't get any play time for one simple reason:   Online Racing
is lackluster.

I think the primary problem in online racing with NASCAR style racing is you
spend a whole lot of time racing side by side, nose to tail, etc and the
connection quality and collision detection has to be extremely strong.  With
GPL, although of course you want the same, you can get away with a bit more
since you are not spending as much time side by side and in as close of
contact as you are in 'stock car' racing.  Racing GPL allows for a more
'authentic' experience I think.

That being said, For me, N4 online racing doesn't work for the following
reasons:

1) Damage model is still lacking fairly badly
2) Dedicated server does not give you the ability to create races at will on
available servers (Owners should have this option)

For Offline racers, there are also continuing issues with the AI and no save
race feature.   I don't race much offline, so this isn't really an issue for
me.

The availability of quality servers is not really an issue.  There are
numerous solid servers available to host races.  However, many of them will
sit there with no racing because nobody but the admin/bosses can
create/change races or people have to just race what's there.  The typical
races at Daytona, Dega, C***te, Michigan and the other cookie cutter
tracks.  I won't even get into the issue of abusive and vindictive
administrators or bosses.

N4 has alot of strong features, and I really like the driving model itself.
However, take out certain aspects out of the 'racing' part (Like flipping
and running into the wall, pull in pits and 90 seconds later you are running
without any problems), and it's just another 'game'.    It's sort of like
HEAT.   HEAT had some great aspects.. but I certainly don't want to run
online with no flags and only 15 cars.  How do you run a 'serious' league
with no flags?   The other side is N4 where getting in a wreck does not have
many consequences and thus does not give enough penalty to influence safer
racing.  Go gung ho... it won't hurt you that much.

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ymenar

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by ymenar » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:30:06


> Better multiplayer.

Really?  I don't find the N4 multiplayer good at all.  Mostly because of the
abuse by the drivers with the weakness of the multiplayer client/server
options.  That might change with the upcoming patch.  Yes, they are creating
*another* patch for N4 that will add even more options and make it even
better.  Amazing eh compared to <cough> another company?

N4 is the best racing sim ever, but GPL is the best driving sim ever for me.
Well, until I can race my GPL tracks with N4.

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David G Fishe

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by David G Fishe » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:46:25



> > Better multiplayer.

> Really?  I don't find the N4 multiplayer good at all.  Mostly because of
the
> abuse by the drivers with the weakness of the multiplayer client/server
> options.

I'm referring to the coding, not the conduct of the drivers. But you knew
that.

Why isn't N4 the best driving sim ever for you?

David G Fisher

ymenar

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by ymenar » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:49:54


> I'm referring to the coding, not the conduct of the drivers. But you knew
> that.

Well you stated it has the best multiplayer.  That is true imho (no other
sim comes close in terms of client/server options and multi architecture).
But it also has the worst quality of drivers.

Because, GPL is more challenging (in terms of me vs. the track).  You can't
compare doing rounds around Dover with trying to beat your best lap at
Rouen.  The fact that it has 7 chassis X 3 car types really helps also the
challenge.  N4 is still a much superior racing sim.

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Simon Brow

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by Simon Brow » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:15:15

That's an easy one, lots and lots and lots of oval tracks and much less
entertaining cars to drive.  You can't seriously think driving Bristol in a
Winston Cup car can compare with driving a Lotus 49 around the Ring.

I agree, and D Kaemmer also agrees, that N4 is a better simulation than GPL,
but it's not a thrill to play.



Colin Harri

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by Colin Harri » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:44:00



I think it IS...

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Rob Swindell

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by Rob Swindell » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:40:05

because (and yes it's really this simple)

ALL N4 BASE ARE BELONG TO GPL

:o)


> It uses the GPL physics. Better graphics. Better multiplayer. More features.

> It comes straight from GPL's womb.

> Why do some of you continue to say that GPL is the best sim ever?

> David G Fisher

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Scott B. Huste

Why Isn't N4 the "BEST" Sim Ever?

by Scott B. Huste » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:00:55

For alot of drivers it is or would be.   It comes down to personal
preferences just like watching races.   For me, watching F1 most of the time
is like watching paint dry.   AND its not NASCAR vs. F1 for me.  Its racing
vs. driving.

I'd prefer to watch Touring cars or Trans-Am or such. =)


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