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Because it's boring? :)

Man, I love stock car racing, but there's just something about N4 that bores me
to death. Maybe it's the poor sense of speed or maybe it's all the boring
cookie-cutter tracks, but whatever it is it's just boring.

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Viper racing has great physics...right up there with GPL/N4...but look at
the tracks...all unrealistic fantasy tracks...it is not just physics that
make a game good, but also tracks...and for ME, Nascar only has 2 usable
tracks...and the online competition at these 2 tracks isn't really that
good...so I stick with GPL because it has a wider assortment of usable
tracks (for ME) and a lot of people racing at these tracks online.

This is just for me...now for all the oval racers out there, I am sure N4 is
the best sim for them.

JB

I suspect sim racers that prefer Nascar type racing would undoubtedly tell
you N4 is the best sim ever, and vice-versa. Two completely different types
of racing.
I have both on my hard drive, but N4 sees 50 times more action on my pc than
GPL does.

Don Burnette

I agree with you on that, Viper Racing  is tip top in the physics
department, but the tracks are just corny. If Viper had realistic
tracks,  ie; Watkins Glen, Laguna Seca, Brands Hatch, etc. It would be
alot stronger today in the sim community.

Well I tell ya what,
I was in a league race last night at Daytona - 80 laps. We all ran nose to
tail and side by side throughout the race. Our first caution came out around
lap 36. We ended the race with app 4 cautions overall. 16 lead changes
amongst 9 different drivers.
That was some of the most intense racing I have been involved in , and
realistic. I stayed up to the wee ours of the morning last night just
watching some of the replay.  It was like I was watching a race on the tv.
For most all of those 80 laps I was clutching the wheel firmly, eyes glued
to the screen, and loving every minute of it. That's what Nascar is all
about. We never got really spread out. You didn;t have time to relax your
grip on the wheel with the exception of the caution flags. Pit road was a
flurry of activity during the cautions.
For me, it just don't get any better than that. The quality of the
connections were awesome as well.
But Nascar type racing is what trips my trigger. I love GPL, but it just
doesn't give me the same thrill.
And imho, the multiplayer environment we have with N4 is pretty doggone
good, and I expect it will only continue to get better.

Don Burnette

"Best" is relative, unless you are basing on a certain measurable quality.  The
way you're asking the question, you're wondering why people *prefer* GPL.  It's
an opinion, not wrong or right.  Some people prefer Viper, or F12CS, or some
other sim.  It's like asking "What's the best rock band?"  My answer to that
question might be totally different from yours.
If you say "best" in terms of sales(N4), number of opponents(N4), number of
marques(GPL), number of tracks available(GPL), or even size of the installed
program(?) - that's something objective you can measure and agree on.  Even
saying "better graphics" is useless to someone who has to turn the eye candy
down to get good frame rates. When you ask a subjective question, opinions will
probably vary.  That shouldn't surprise anybody, not even you...

Eldred
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As I posted in another thread, NASCAR type racing requires competition,
preferably human competition, to be successful. Hotlapping solo at Monaco or
Monza may diverting with GPL or GP3, but how many orbits around Talledaga or
Texas can you make without little white pills to keep your eyes open? It's
b-o-r-ing. The heart of stock car racing is the mano-a-mano aspect. I think
each attracts different types of gamers.

Therefore the NASCAR-type game is going to rise or fall, ultimately, on the
strength of its online capability. I think Papyrus has nailed this with N4.
Whatever you say about the wreckers and the clearasil cowboys, it works on
Sierra. With a good connection and a muscular PC, N4 rocks big time online.
The most riveting experience yet. And don't hold your breath waiting to play
a modern, papy-designed open***pit sim over the net, the F1 people and
Bernie Ecclestone won't be authorizing that.

I do have, howver, a few gripes with N4 which may limit it's longevity on
the hard drive.
1- No pitstops, at least no scheduled pitstops. Papyrus didn't see fit to
include an accelerated wear feature in N4, which amputates much of the
strategy element .I think you need the equivalent of an 80% race without
this option in order to force true strategic thinking on the racers. Right
now we're running sprints, not NASCAR races. This might get old.
2-'Medium' damage should be what Papy now labels  'Realistic' damage. We
don't currently have 'Realistic' damage.
3- No telemetry.
4- Oh yeah, the AI, for those who care about that.

Yeah and I know some leagues who have 27 cautions at the same track in a 50%
Talladega.  And I'm not talking about bad drivers, au contraire.  Of course
1 race out of 10 will be a great experience!  What about the nine others???

Yes, but the drivers are abusing the systems.  I'm talking about pickups.

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For being such a "self proclaimed intellect" you did a poor detail
job on your thread. Things that make you say "AHhhhhmhmm?"

| Ok, I should of said "Auto Sim". :-)
|
| David G Fisher

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Hey Simon!! I had a blast for 3weeks tho in N4 and then I woke up!
Back to the F1, Grand Prix chassis-szzz & trackszz for me!!! :-)

| That's an easy one, lots and lots and lots of oval tracks and much less
| entertaining cars to drive.  You can't seriously think driving Bristol in
a
| Winston Cup car can compare with driving a Lotus 49 around the Ring.
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| I agree, and D Kaemmer also agrees, that N4 is a better simulation than
GPL,
| but it's not a thrill to play.

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Hi David,

actually, I think you nailed this one perfectly. I guess it will help to
separate those who think GPL is religion and those that just like it
because indeed it is one of the most enjoyable experiences on the PC.

I believe Eldred nailed it perfectly with his response. The truth is,
the changes between the GPL and N4 engine are not earth shattering, and
even though the N4 car model seems to be more refined, GPL did so much
right in the first place that it's by far not obsolete.

Going just by the features, the answer is simple; Nascar 4 is a superior
sim, and probably the best one ever.  Its superiority, however, can be
far outweighed by the personal preferences for the nature of racing.

For myself, Nascar 4 indeed is the best sim ever, and one of the top 3
games I ever played (GPL is one of those as well). I believe Nascar type
of racing lends itself to online play extremely well. If you don't go
for the Talladega or Daytona races but something less popular, the
chance of having a wrecker in the field are rather small, so even pickup
races are perfectly acceptable, and very enjoyable.

-Gregor

ahh...

Main screen turn on!

Theoretically N4 is the best available racing sim imho.
But I prefer racing in a Lotus 49 on the Ring than driving a stockcar
on an oval. Too bad N4 only has 2 roadcourses (which are tremendous
fun), the hopefully coming GPL->N4 converter from Noonan will be very
interesting..

Andre

Yup, too bad addon tracks were never released for GPL, else I would
still play it. Like GPL, Viper Racing was a sim that deserved to much
better :(

Andre