rec.autos.simulators

> Are you saying you don't have to be in great shape to be COMPETITIVE?
> LOL!!
> As you see the drivers that are not in good shape don't last long in
> NASCAR or they stay at the back of the pack and f1 is the same way.
> Many of the NASCAR drivers are tough nuts, don't let the wrinkles fool
> you.
> Right now I think Adam Petty is having trouble, not because he is fat
> but rather because he is too light,skinny and weak and is getting pretty
> beat up because of it.

> > Then how do you explain all those chubby and/or wrinkled NASCAR drivers?

> > David G Fisher

> > > Both in F1, NASCAR and other forms of motorsport you have to be in
great
> > > condition to be competitive.

> Then how do you explain all those chubby and/or wrinkled NASCAR drivers?

> David G Fisher

> > Both in F1, NASCAR and other forms of motorsport you have to be in great
> > condition to be competitive.

> Are you saying you don't have to be in great shape to be COMPETITIVE?
> LOL!!
> As you see the drivers that are not in good shape don't last long in
> NASCAR or they stay at the back of the pack and f1 is the same way.
> Many of the NASCAR drivers are tough nuts, don't let the wrinkles fool
> you.
> Right now I think Adam Petty is having trouble, not because he is fat
> but rather because he is too light,skinny and weak and is getting pretty
> beat up because of it.

> > Then how do you explain all those chubby and/or wrinkled NASCAR drivers?

> > David G Fisher

> > > Both in F1, NASCAR and other forms of motorsport you have to be in great
> > > condition to be competitive.

> The amount of oxygen present is irrelevant.  It's the ability of the body to
> take it in, move it around and feed tissue.  That's what aerobic
> conditioning does, it improves the body's ability and efficiency to use
> oxygen.  It is possible to be oxygen starved in an atmosphere of 100% oxygen
> if your body can't process it fast enough to keep up with your internal use.

> > In article <mlgx4.2792>
> > So running an O2 line inside the helmet negates the need for aerobic
> > conditioning?

> > Just curious, ya' know.

> Too right Alan, there is fit and fit.

> I'm a reserve uncommissioned officer in our army and, although, I may look
> slightly overweight, appearances deceive. I can "take a***ing and keep on
> ticking." ;-)

> There's loads of guys who can outrun, pull-up, sit-up and swim me (the
> official criteria for fitness). But none of them can beat me home when
> there's a 15 mile march with full kit on to be completed. Although they get
> away from me at the start, I usally end up lugging someone else's kit while
> helping him drag his skinny ass across the finish line. Endurance comes with
> age, as do wrinkles. <g>

> BTW: I make no illusions as to being able to complete a WC event myself. I'm
> pretty sure everyone in Nascar could be me home in my preferred challenge.

> Jan.
> ----


> > Are you saying you don't have to be in great shape to be COMPETITIVE?
> > LOL!!
> > As you see the drivers that are not in good shape don't last long in
> > NASCAR or they stay at the back of the pack and f1 is the same way.
> > Many of the NASCAR drivers are tough nuts, don't let the wrinkles fool
> > you.
> > Right now I think Adam Petty is having trouble, not because he is fat
> > but rather because he is too light,skinny and weak and is getting pretty
> > beat up because of it.

> <snip>

> You are flat wrong, Brian.  F1 engines are not torque powered, they're rev
> powered.  There are very severe limits imposed on an engine's ability to
> breath over a wide rev range.  While F1 engines have extended that range
> they haven't eliminated the limits entirely, and small displacement
engines,
> especially engines with smallish individual cylinder displacements, that
are
> capable of reving beyond 12,000 rpm don't produce high peak torque
numbers.
> The power comes from the equation ft/lbs of torque * rpm = hp.  Assume
about
> 800 horsepower and a power peak at 16,000 rpm and do the math compared
that
> same 800 hp at a power peak of 7500 rpm and it's quickly apparent that an
F1
> engine is torque starved by comparison.

> > You were doing well until that last sentence. F1 engines generate gobs
of
> > torque. They have to to accelerate from an endless series of slow
corners.

> But connect it to a F1 gearbox and it will pull your hair off.

>Isn`t everyone rather jumping on this guy a bit. All he wanted to know was
>what people saw in Oval racing. He didn`t say it was rubbish. He just wanted
>to know what everyone else thught.
>I find nascar extremely dull to watch on TV but often enjoy the oval cart
>races. The passing always appears ( Please not I say APPEARS :-) ) to be too
>easy and doesn`t add to the race. I realise that it's all about tactics and
>that the drivers aren`t completely useless but I often feel that it's more
>about drivers enjoying themselves than giving a good show.

>Of course I've never seen a live race so it could actually be much more
>exciting in the flesh ( I live in the UK so chances of me seeing one are
>fairly slim) but to a UK tv viewer like me it seems dull as hell.

>Matt

>> Because even if it is very easy I can kick the ass of Schumacher on
>> GPL...because I do it always and he doesn't....

>> But even if I train in his ferrari for 1 year (oh yes) I will never beat
>him
>> there, because he is just better..

>But wait...ovals are nothing but straights and left hand corners, right?
>Doesn't Michael Schumacher take left turns and go down straight roads in
F1?
>If the answer is yes, then it would seem he already has lots of practice
>running in a situation that is limited to those two things and he should
>excel automatically.

>While I doubt you would get any argument that MS is a better driver than,
>say, Dale Earnhardt (including from DE himself),  it is quite possible he
>might not have the right combination of skills that would make him good at
>NASCAR.  Try it for yourself.  Get your favorite F1 sim and run a full
>length race.  It's exhausting mentally and physically.  Then, put on your a
>NASCAR sim and run a full-length race at Talledega.  You will be mentally
>and physically exhausted after that race too, but for different reasons.
>The frantic pace of driving on an F1 circuit at speed and negotiating all
>those corners requires a very different type of concentration and intensity
>than flawlessly completing repeated fast laps on a NASCAR oval.

>There have been a few successful road racers who entered NASCAR and none of
>them has fared very well.  I just don't think it is fair or accurate to
>characterize the demands of NASCAR racing as some kind of inferior subset
of
>the skills necessary to compete in road racing.

>~daxe

>>There have been a few successful road racers who entered NASCAR and none
of
>>them has fared very well.

>    ...especially not someone like Tony Stewart...

>Gunner
>(just bein' a smartass.  again. lol)