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Oval racing, my point

Davi

Oval racing, my point

by Davi » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Peter Egan wrote that article for Road and Track.  IT was also noted about
Mansel and heavy vibration you encounter of Ovals.  Its a pretty good read
if yo have the mag, gives some insight on Champ Car racing and the demands
of a driver.

Dave

<ka0..

Oval racing, my point

by <ka0.. » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00

   When was the last time you saw drivers going three and four wide in
the corners at 185+ mph on a road course?
Tomo Sat

Oval racing, my point

by Tomo Sat » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I don't quite see what your point is for the discussion....

CART and NASCAR are two different styles of racing.  I assume there are
two different approaches of engineering and driving.  No one can say which
is easier, because I doubt they are.
CART requires a racing skill as in general.  NASCAR requires a NASCAR
skill.  That's all.


>    When was the last time you saw drivers going three and four wide in
> the corners at 185+ mph on a road course?

Mike Laske

Oval racing, my point

by Mike Laske » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Well, he did throw up inside his helmet at Michigan 93 !!

Mike.

Mike Laske

Oval racing, my point

by Mike Laske » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00


>    When was the last time you saw drivers going three and four wide in
> the corners at 185+ mph on a road course?

Happens at every bike race.

Mike.

Graeme Nas

Oval racing, my point

by Graeme Nas » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I think he meant Christian?

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Mark Seer

Oval racing, my point

by Mark Seer » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00

OK.

Now Christian was never anywhere near the top <G>.

MS

Brian Richardso

Oval racing, my point

by Brian Richardso » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00


>    When was the last time you saw drivers going three and four wide in
> the corners at 185+ mph on a road course?

Watch the in-car shots of CART guys screaming down Ocean Blvd at 185 + on
a narrow course with scant room for error.....it's a whole different
racin' deal.

What's also interesting and illuminating....watching the Busch cars and
Craftsman trucks circle Naz at around 120-125 mph, and comparing that to
the Champ cars on the same track 40-50 mph faster, and with no provision
for swapping paint and getting away with it....

Ken Plotk

Oval racing, my point

by Ken Plotk » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00



[snip]
[snip]

Think Schumie will ever have to deal with a 10 car nose-to-tail draft,
and figure out who to go with on the last lap?

Nothing has the braking loads of an F1 car.  But sometimes *not* doing
that is a special skill.  Back in the 60s, when Denny Hulme went to
Indianapolis, one of his problems was using the brakes too much, like
on a road course,  rather than smoothly easing off the speed entering
the corners.  Hulme - as skilled a driver as there was in that era -
could never master that, so his car owner finally put wheel covers on
so the brakes would heat up and fade.

The biggest thing about racing in any series is that the fast guys are
going as fast as they can, and as close to the edge as they can.

Kind of interesting seeing this discussion touching on arguments about
which kind of driver has to be a better athlete.  Wasn't too long ago
that people questioned whether drivers were athletes at all.  Nowadays
the good drivers are all in top athletic condition.

Ken Plotkin

Jerry Or

Oval racing, my point

by Jerry Or » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Mike, 3 wide at 185mph?
What bikes?
What track?

Just curious

Jerry


> >    When was the last time you saw drivers going three and four wide in
> > the corners at 185+ mph on a road course?

> Happens at every bike race.

> Mike.

Brian P. Sween

Oval racing, my point

by Brian P. Sween » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00



> Kind of interesting seeing this discussion touching on arguments about
> which kind of driver has to be a better athlete.  Wasn't too long ago
> that people questioned whether drivers were athletes at all.  Nowadays
> the good drivers are all in top athletic condition.

> Ken Plotkin

Yes, but a librarian could train for the Ironman competition, but it
doesn't make library work athletic. You've missed a necessary step.
Peter Olivol

Oval racing, my point

by Peter Olivol » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Brian, you're the one who's missed a necessary step.  You know nothing about
what it takes physically to drive a race car in any form of the sport.





> > Kind of interesting seeing this discussion touching on arguments about
> > which kind of driver has to be a better athlete.  Wasn't too long ago
> > that people questioned whether drivers were athletes at all.  Nowadays
> > the good drivers are all in top athletic condition.

> Yes, but a librarian could train for the Ironman competition, but it
> doesn't make library work athletic. You've missed a necessary step.

Brian P. Sween

Oval racing, my point

by Brian P. Sween » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00



> Brian, you're the one who's missed a necessary step.  You know nothing about
> what it takes physically to drive a race car in any form of the sport.
> > Yes, but a librarian could train for the Ironman competition, but it
> > doesn't make library work athletic. You've missed a necessary step.

Thanks for the irrelevancy, Pete, but this is logic, and you know scant
little about it, so I suggest you heed your own advice.

I simply noted (much to your apparent bewilderment) the post hoc, propter
hoc fallacy, and you don't have to know a damn thing about the subject in
which the fallacy is employed to spot the error.

Think of it this way. An error in programming code is still an error,
regardless of whether the person reviewing the code knows anything about
word processors, 3D games, or whatever the program might be.

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"You really should try racing some in your lifetime (and not on your
computer ...). You would quickly discover how much easier a road
course is than an oval."

-Allan Pagan

Brian P. Sween

Oval racing, my point

by Brian P. Sween » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00



> Pretty cheap to point out an error in formal logic while the overall
> statement of the post is correct.

> Jan.

The "overall statement of the post" was a fallacy, so it's certainly not
pedantry to note the error. Further, what I know about racing fitness is
pretty irrelevant to anything being discussed anywhere.

This is elementary stuff, folks.

cmaki

Oval racing, my point

by cmaki » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00




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