No....I rest mine.
news:un7s7dhvqgcc22@corp.supernews.com...
> Lol, I rest my case.
> John
> "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:veDc9.166200$aA.33828@sccrnsc02...
> > John...
> > I'm not trying to "put a spin" on anything. I think that many of
today's
> > current sim racers....and visitors to r.a.s, don't remember that sim
> racing
> > is my full-time job (has been for the last three years...almost four
years
> > now). I think there's a future in this activity as an "e-sport"....and
> that
> > means I can make a living doing what I love to do......sim race. Some
> > people try to put me down for thinking that. I don't really care, I
> believe
> > it will happen. Lots of people thought Bill France was an idiot.....50
> > years ago! That didn't stop him. [I'm not comparing myself to Bill
> > France....just stating the comparison of the situations.]
> > So.....I don't think about all this sim racing stuff in the same
> > way......probably "most" of the other r.a.s. guys do. Because of
> > that.....perhaps "my spin" as you call it......looks like something else
> > that it is not. That is, I'm not being "insincere" which is normally
what
> > "putting a spin" on something usually means. I **am very serious**
about
> > sim racing.
> > I love racing. I love sim racing because I consider it a valid part of
> the
> > racing world. I do realize that this believe is probably still very
much
> in
> > the minority....even amongst sim racers.
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> > "John Pancoast" <jpanco...@tetontel.com> wrote in message
> > news:un5skm3alcbgb2@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Ah.........ok, whatever :) Boy, I think you've missed your
calling;
> > you
> > > should be a politician, as good as you can put a spin on things.
> > > John
> > > "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > news:6EBc9.165292$aA.33622@sccrnsc02...
> > > > John...
> > > > Fair questions. Here's my answers:
> > > > 1. The RASCAR races are not a "league." Not in the sense that I
must
> > > > "join" and commit to running every week. There's no points
> > championship,
> > > > and other than "bragging rights for a day or two" there's no innate
> > > interest
> > > > in who wins each week. My schedule doesn't allow me to run in the
> > RASCAR
> > > > races regularly, without dramatically altering it. But, that
doesn't
> > mean
> > > I
> > > > don't want to.....or that I won't be able to from time to time. Nor
> > does
> > > > that mean I'm not interested in RASCAR, or what's doing or what it
> > > > represents.
> > > > 2. If I was running a league (which I am not at the moment....but
> just
> > > for
> > > > arguments sake), and someone who did not currently race in that
league
> > was
> > > > making constructive criticism remarks or comments, I wouldn't
consider
> > > > him/her rude. I would thank him/her for their interest in what our
> > league
> > > > was doing. Perhaps, he/she would race with us some day? I don't
> think
> > > "my
> > > > remarks" are anything beyond "constructive criticism".....and I
> haven't
> > > > heard from John Simmons or Eldred otherwise.
> > > > 3. Whether all of you running in RASCAR realize it or not, or
whether
> > you
> > > > like it or not........newbies who make their way to r.a.s are going
to
> > > look
> > > > upon you guys as "veteran sim racers." They are **not** going to
> > > (initially
> > > > at least) know who has been sim racing for a few months...or who has
> > been
> > > > sim racing for years. When any of you make remarks that are
> incorrect,
> > or
> > > > send the wrong message to newbies.....I will always speak up. You
can
> > ask
> > > > Scott Husted or any of the other "vets" who have known me for a long
> > > > time.....I have been consistent about this for more than five years!
> I
> > > care
> > > > more about the newbies than I do the existing veteran sim drivers.
> Sim
> > > > racing is no different than real-world racing in this one aspect:
The
> > new
> > > > drivers represent the future of the sport.....the veterans represent
> the
> > > > current and past! Some of you think sim racing is a "game." Some
of
> > you
> > > > take it as a serious "hobby." Some of you think its serious enough,
> to
> > > one
> > > > day become an "e-sport" of sorts. I am part of that last group.
And,
> > > that
> > > > is why I care about what the newbies are exposed to when they first
> come
> > > > into the public sim racing community.
> > > > John, if you don't participate in all of the RASCAR races, but you
do
> > > > participate (or have the option to do so) in some of them.....then
> your
> > > > comments and constructive criticism should be as welcome as mine. I
> > urge
> > > > you to participate when you can.....and to comment when you have
> reason
> > to
> > > > do so.
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Tom
> > > > "John Pancoast" <jpanco...@tetontel.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:un56drrn5oa88e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Because, I find it interesting, your commenting on a "league"
that
> > you
> > > > > don't participate in. If you're trying to be helpful, why not
> comment
> > > on
> > > > > other "leagues" too ?
> > > > > For that matter, if you were running a league, and someone who
> > didn't
> > > > > participate in it kept commenting on how it should be run, what
> would
> > > you
> > > > > think ? Rude as hell imo.
> > > > > And no, I don't participate in every RASCAR race. That's why I
> > don't
> > > > > comment on them.
> > > > > Now, I've answered your question, how about you doing the same ?
> > > > > John
> > > > > "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:puwc9.323884$UU1.55973@sccrnsc03...
> > > > > > John....
> > > > > > Not trying to be rude to you. But, why are you so concerned
about
> > > "why
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > concerned" about the RASCAR races?
> > > > > > If my reasons for contributing to the general discussion.....are
> not
> > > > > obvious
> > > > > > to you, I can't help that. I don't need to participate in every
> > > RASCAR
> > > > > race
> > > > > > to have an opinion about them. Do you?
> > > > > > TP
> > > > > > "John Pancoast" <jpanco...@tetontel.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:un4qkb3fbo1o2a@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > Tom, why are you so concerned about how RASCAR is run ?
Every
> > > week,
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > comments, mostly negative. If you're that interested in it,
> show
> > > up
> > > > at
> > > > > > > some more races :)
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:kDrc9.158250$aA.32333@sccrnsc02...
> > > > > > > > This is just my two cents.....but it seems to me there's a
bit
> > of
> > > > > > > "hypocrisy
> > > > > > > > in thought" about how you guys are running the RASCAR events
> on
> > > > > > Saturdays.
> > > > > > > > You claim, on one hand....these races are for fun AND for
> racing
> > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > for the newbies, that it doesn't matter who wins and no
points
> > are
> > > > > > > > collected.
> > > > > > > > Then, you make "special rules" that reduce the realism of
the
> > > RASCAR
> > > > > > > races -
> > > > > > > > "in order to help the rookies" - but they do nothing but
> reduce
> > > the
> > > > > > > > "realistic experience" factor for the newbies incrementally.
> > > While,
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > nothing to reduce the "problems" associated with rookie
> drivers
> > > > > > > > (everywhere)....they just introduce new ones ("not racing
back
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > yellow" as an example).
> > > > > > > > If the RASCAR are races are for "fun and experience" then
why
> do
> > > you
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > such an aversion to restarting when there's a crash on the
> first
> > > > lap -
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > matter what the reason is? I just don't get it. Hell, I
> don't
> > > even
> > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > why you guys run with damage turned on.....that's pointless
in
> a
> > > > race
> > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > for fun and experience. Mistakes made during a race that
> result
> > > in
> > > > > wall
> > > > > > > > contact, spins, wrecks, blown tires, etc. - in themselves
have
> > > > enough
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > "penalty" to the initiating driver......to work as a proper
> > > > > "deterrent"
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > doing stupid things. At least, with damage turned
off.....you
> > > don't
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > that "stupid mistake" ruin the race for one or several other
> > > > drivers,
> > > > > > too!
> > > > > > > > Race starts that are marred by accidents, whether warp
induced
> > or
> > > > > stupid
> > > > > > > > induced.....ruin the race instantly for a large portion of
the
> > > field
> > > > > > > > (especially with full damage turned on). If you are running
> for
> > > > "fun
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > experience" then what is the purpose of not restarting the
> race?
> > > > > That's
> > > > > > > > pure hypocritical in my book......but that's just my
opinion.
> > > > > > > > I run with a group of guys "for fun" every few weeks. We
are
> a
> > > > mixed
> > > > > > > group
> > > > > > > > of experienced sim drivers (some of the real-world drivers
who
> > run
> > > > > with
> > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > are new to sim racing....thus "rookies" in these online
races,
> > > even
> > > > > > though
> > > > > > > > they have lots of real-world racing experience). We
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