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N2002 converter, any news?

Alex 'pez' Porazinsk

N2002 converter, any news?

by Alex 'pez' Porazinsk » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:18:12

im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave
Noonans site today?

pez

Scott B. Huste

N2002 converter, any news?

by Scott B. Huste » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 05:47:03


sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it.

Scott
PA-Scott
The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.Husted.cc



DB

N2002 converter, any news?

by DB » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 06:38:12

Me to Alex,

   I have the site bookmarked and am waiting anxiously for
any sign of a converter :)

http://www.sim-garage.co.uk/



adsale

N2002 converter, any news?

by adsale » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:33:00



> sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it.


their true name, pirate sites, most of whom has never produced a single
item of their own and who's only contribution to the sim acing world has
been to DL a copy of Front Page and use every setting and option in
there to produce garish and ugly graphics in the belief that they
actually have taste......and talent, so they can post stuff "someone"
has e-mailed them, and then they use their message boards to make fun of
the original creators afterwards

Quite frankly I don't understand why the talented people of the
community bothers anymore, I'd chucked it in ages ago, I guess the
appreciation from the regular guys out there is what keeps them going,
and I'm not talking only about David Noonan and the rest of the guys at
"The Pits" either, there are plenty of sites out there who do a great
service to the community, so maybe that's what we all should do, head on
over to our fav sites and show our appreciation for all the work they do
for the rest of us

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Alex 'pez' Porazinsk

N2002 converter, any news?

by Alex 'pez' Porazinsk » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:34:53

whats the official word, should i go to bed?

pez




> sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it.

> Scott
> PA-Scott
> The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> PA-Scott
> ICQ# 4395450
> http://www.Husted.cc



> > im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave
> > Noonans site today?

> > pez

Phillip Malphrus, Jr

N2002 converter, any news?

by Phillip Malphrus, Jr » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:57:33

I would blame him if he didnt release it because of that. What would he be
doing the conversion for, the community or for himself??? I mean, if every
developer stopped developing because of piracy, there would have been no
Office or Windows XP. I'll be buying the converter if he charges and I
admire his work but this is still only a game the last time I checked ...

And, btw, one of his so called "friends" is the one screwing him over,
that's what ticks me off. Someone he trusts is sending out his stuff to
other people. I hope he starts putting the name of every person he sends the
file to in each individual exe of the converter and then he'll know who's
doing it.

Just an opinion,
Phillip




> sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it.

> Scott
> PA-Scott
> The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> PA-Scott
> ICQ# 4395450
> http://www.Husted.cc



> > im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave
> > Noonans site today?

> > pez

DB

N2002 converter, any news?

by DB » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:49:34

  Although a part of me could understand the disgust of having you're
intellectual
properties outright stolen, Like Phillip say's who is Dave writing the
converters
for ? guys like myself who have paid for the previous converters and are
looking
forward to his new project, or himself.

  My assumption is that Dave gets a good deal of pleasure out of his work
along
with the efforts involved, and I can only hope that he releases his current
project to
the paying public.

   He definitely deserves to make some money for his efforts, That's free
enterprise
at its absolute best :) God I love the freedom to better my own situation
better.

   If unscrupulous types want to post his work, then I for one would be
happy to let
Dave know of the situation so he could take appropriate actions.

   It would be a shame indeed if a minority of "***Heads" screws up a good
thing
for the majority of honest people out there.

Best regards
TBone server
Bring on them road courses :))



> I would blame him if he didnt release it because of that. What would he be
> doing the conversion for, the community or for himself??? I mean, if every
> developer stopped developing because of piracy, there would have been no
> Office or Windows XP. I'll be buying the converter if he charges and I
> admire his work but this is still only a game the last time I checked ...

> And, btw, one of his so called "friends" is the one screwing him over,
> that's what ticks me off. Someone he trusts is sending out his stuff to
> other people. I hope he starts putting the name of every person he sends
the
> file to in each individual exe of the converter and then he'll know who's
> doing it.

> Just an opinion,
> Phillip




> > sites, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't release it.

> > Scott
> > PA-Scott
> > The Pits - http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > --
> > Scott B. Husted
> > PA-Scott
> > ICQ# 4395450
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/



> > > im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave
> > > Noonans site today?

> > > pez

Douglas Elliso

N2002 converter, any news?

by Douglas Elliso » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:32:59



If he charges for it - himself.  If he doesnt, Himself and the community

Doug

Phillip Malphrus J

N2002 converter, any news?

by Phillip Malphrus J » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:35:37

Well .... I dont have a problem with him charging for all the work he's done
...




> > the community or for himself???

> If he charges for it - himself.  If he doesnt, Himself and the community

> Doug

Scott B. Huste

N2002 converter, any news?

by Scott B. Huste » Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:38:22

BTW - I do NOT speak for Dave.

I'm simply stating my opinion as a member of The Pits and knowing all the
troubles Jan goes through attempting to keep people from stealing others
work.  Dave and all the others at the Pits (And others who share and work
with The Pits) deserve better than to have their content blatantly copied
and posted on some***ant sim racing website when it is clearly displayed
all over the Pits about not doing so.   They could simply provide a link to
the site and be done with it.

Not to mention when people use the converter to convert tracks, and then
post those tracks for download.  Whether Dave charges or not is irrelevant
IMHO.

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Joachim Trens

N2002 converter, any news?

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:25:37

Alex, the converter might become available sometime tomorrow during the day.
It's very near now.

Achim



Alex 'pez' Porazinsk

N2002 converter, any news?

by Alex 'pez' Porazinsk » Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:10:51

ive been driving road america in icr2 with the keyboard (xp dont like my
wheel with old dos games) to refresh my memory, ahhh, a great track.

cheers AT.

pez


> Alex, the converter might become available sometime tomorrow during the
day.
> It's very near now.

> Achim



> > im dribbling and drooling here, any news on just what appears on Dave
> > Noonans site today?

> > pez

Dave Henri

N2002 converter, any news?

by Dave Henri » Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:47:45



    Find the modded track for Heat or better yet get the very cheap AMA
SUperbike if you really want to drive Road America.  Those old ICR2 efforts
were good back then, but are woefully inaacurate by even F1 200x standards.
dave henrie

Joachim Trens

N2002 converter, any news?

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:15:07

I can't talk about Road America, but there's always been talk about how
inaccurate Papy's Laguna is, but when I recently saw a bike race at Laguna
it didn't appear that far off at all...?

Achim


...
standards.

Dave Henri

N2002 converter, any news?

by Dave Henri » Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:21:31


   Papyrus was the FIRST company that got the illusion of elevation right.
After running ICR2's Laguna then playing the CPR demo...I thought the CPR
track was flat.  There was zero immersion compared to Papy.    The biggest
problem with their Laguna is the track has changed it's configuration
sligtly since it was modeled.  they did a great job for it's time,  but the
last turn is different, the pit lane entrance has changed, there are several
items that make it not horrible just out of date.
    Now Mid Ohio and Road America...those are more out sync with today's
real track, there are many elevation changes that are just not there, the
bend at the end of the backstraight of Mid Ohio is really a short straight
itself in ICR2 etc etc
      The last version of Portland that papy did for the N3 trucks was SPOT
on.  I wish they could get some private group together to redo all the old
icr2 tracks with the accuracy that they displayed with the updated Portland.
       Street circuits like Long Beach have whole new sections that don't
exist in the old tracks....
Hopefully the F1 2001 based Cart World Series is still being
developed...(ANYBODY KNOW????)
At least then we may get some decent American tracks.
dave henrie


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