rec.autos.simulators

>> Thank You.
>> You are still wrong.
>> You are still an ass.
>> You are still name calling -- from a distance -- would love to see you
>> face to face.
>> Then we'd see who the***is.

>>> No, I'm right. Your incorrect use of quotation marks gave you away. Plus
>>> the fact that your arguments are ***and you go on and on, even when
>>> proved wrong. But most of all, because you come across as a bit of a
>>> cunt!

>>>> WRONG - like you are so often.

>>>> -==-

>>>>> <==-==>, you are, in fact, David G Fisher and I claim my $5!

>>>>>> Heck...I hate to have to answer my own question.... but it seems like
>>>>>> no-one else will !?!
>>>>>> Strange me thinks

>>>>>>>> Hasn't really been a concern so far.
>>>>>> -Larry <<

>>>>>> Nice "cover answer" Larry, but is that it?
>>>>>> Can you or anyone actually answer the other questions posted here?

>>>>>> Of course in the same way, iRacing "hasn't really been a concern for
>>>>>> me either" as I haven't and probably won't pay for it.

>>>>>> I'm also a bit appalled with the "marketing strategy"  er, um, I mean
>>>>>> "special offers"  (do I have 10 yet?) that are being paraded around
>>>>>> and MASCARADED as it they are actually some sort of "special offer".

>>>>>> ~allowing me to join and pay~  is  NOT a "special offer".

>>>>>> A FREE TRIAL - well that might be a special offer.  2 for 1 - I think
>>>>>> that is a special offer...
>>>>>> but sign up now and pay forever.... so that someone else can pay
>>>>>> later (get everything up to that point for the entrance fee) and then
>>>>>> pay forever? Seems a little inequitable to me.
>>>>>> Or will people that join in say a year from now... will they have to
>>>>>> pay $500+ "initiation" to get the updates and features that are
>>>>>> available at that time?

>>>>>> Personally, I smell a bad concepted business model and a WORSE
>>>>>> smelling marketing "special offer" campaign.

>>>>>> Excuse me.... the stink makes me want to leave the forum for a
>>>>>> moment.

>>>>>> Sheesh

>>>>>>> What kind of numbers online Larry?

>>>>>>> Will it support 50+ 60+ ?? drivers in a race?
>>>>>>> Has that been tested?  What's the highest number you have been
>>>>>>> online with?

>>>>>>> Thanks in advance

>>>>>>> ==--==

>>>>>>>> Hasn't really been a concern so far.

>>>>>>>> -Larry

>>>>>>>>> Well I hope the net code is pretty damn good, because there are
>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>> be some pretty pissed racers out there if they start getting
>>>>>>>>> penalised
>>>>>>>>> because of some 'warp' that takes place whilst racing.

>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Pete Ives
>>>>>>>>> Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

> 12 is seriously NOT enough.  I would quit a league that only had 12
> competitors per race.

> Sorry... perhaps I mis-used the "special offer" term.  I only used that
> term becuase I have recieved so many emails that contained the term
> "special offer".  I will assume that it is co-incidence and nothing more.

> Again, thank you for any answers you provide(d).

> I am NOT intentiaonally "bashing" the product - how could I?   I don't
> even have it.
> I have been asking questions so that I can make a more informed decision -
> that's all.

> It's too bad that the questions have touched such soft spots.  They
> weren't meant that way.

> -==-

>> Boy, you really seem to be mis-reading things.  I know nothing about
>> special offers.  There is no break if you get an invite.  You are simply
>> being afforded the opportunity to be one of the early signers.  Nothing
>> more, nothing less.

>> If you want one, fine.  If not, that's fine too.

>> No one is masquarading anything around here.

>> As far as the warp, what I said is what I mean.  Since a certain period
>> in the beta, I have witness zero warp issues.  Some may have, I'm just
>> indicating what _I_ have witnessed.

>> Really man, you can take off your tin hat.  There is no *** there.

>> -Larry

>>> Heck...I hate to have to answer my own question.... but it seems like
>>> no-one else will !?!
>>> Strange me thinks

>>>>> Hasn't really been a concern so far.

>>> -Larry <<

>>> Nice "cover answer" Larry, but is that it?
>>> Can you or anyone actually answer the other questions posted here?

>>> Of course in the same way, iRacing "hasn't really been a concern for me
>>> either" as I haven't and probably won't pay for it.

>>> I'm also a bit appalled with the "marketing strategy"  er, um, I mean
>>> "special offers"  (do I have 10 yet?) that are being paraded around and
>>> MASCARADED as it they are actually some sort of "special offer".

>>> ~allowing me to join and pay~  is  NOT a "special offer".

>>> A FREE TRIAL - well that might be a special offer.  2 for 1 - I think
>>> that is a special offer...
>>> but sign up now and pay forever.... so that someone else can pay later
>>> (get everything up to that point for the entrance fee) and then pay
>>> forever? Seems a little inequitable to me.
>>> Or will people that join in say a year from now... will they have to pay
>>> $500+ "initiation" to get the updates and features that are available at
>>> that time?

>>> Personally, I smell a bad concepted business model and a WORSE smelling
>>> marketing "special offer" campaign.

>>> Excuse me.... the stink makes me want to leave the forum for a moment.

>>> Sheesh

>>>> What kind of numbers online Larry?

>>>> Will it support 50+ 60+ ?? drivers in a race?
>>>> Has that been tested?  What's the highest number you have been online
>>>> with?

>>>> Thanks in advance

>>>> ==--==

>>>>> Hasn't really been a concern so far.

>>>>> -Larry

>>>>>> Well I hope the net code is pretty damn good, because there are going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be some pretty pissed racers out there if they start getting
>>>>>> penalised
>>>>>> because of some 'warp' that takes place whilst racing.

>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Pete Ives
>>>>>> Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

>> Ed,

>> I have a spot on mine if you want it.  Just let me know how to contact
>> you...

>> -Larry

> Ed

> Some of the beta testers have stated that they've raced with big grids. I
> think the number 30 was mentioned.

> This sounds just like the kind of stuff David G Fisher used to come out
> with
> when GPL first arrived.

> Here's a reminder from ten years hence:

> >GPL is not the first racing sim/game to offer TCP/IP racing. It's far
> >from
> >it. Yet, even though it has the advantage of being the most recent
> >release,
> >it's performance on the net is disappointing. I'm at the point now with
> >GPL
> >online that I don't even care what the reasons are for performance
> >problems. If too much info is being sent, then they should of cut back on
> >the unnecessary info and just sent the essential. They should of simply
> >copied whatever other sim developers did that works.

> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/browse_thread/thr...

> Of course where was nothing wrong with GPL's net code and when that became
> apparent, he just switched his attack to a different angle.

> > Hmmmmm
> > Not sure quite what to say other than to comment on how it seems that
> > no-one will answer the question.
> > (at least Uwe honestly stated 12-14 in his experience T.Y. Uwe) --
> > Everyone else provides "fluff" responses IMHO

> > "The system is far more complicated than a single question like "How
> > many
> > can race at once"
> > -- this sounds like a Bush statement -- it has ZERO information or
> > facts,
> > but lovely propaganda.

> > "The lower series (which they all are right now) have smaller fields
> > (and
> > shorter races in some cases). The top-tiers will be full tracks. :)"
> > -- this again really tells me (us) nothing at all. Zero facts. Or should
> > one assume a "full track" is 14 drivers (see above)?

> > iRacing must be very complicated if no-one can, or will, admit to the
> > MAXIMUM NUMBER of drivers online at once.

> > I am asking what would appear to me to be a simple enough question. I've
> > worked in the computer industry for 25 years.... I would feel pretty
> > uncomfortable using the answers provided here to present my software to
> > anyone.
> > "It's complicated"
> > "It's gets bigger and better later"

> > It looks like .... "smoke and mirrors".

> > Please ~~ anyone ~~ that can answer a simple question. Please do so.

> > It would seem clear enough to me that BETA testers would have actually
> > tested how many users/drivers the sim can support online at once. Am I
> > crazy? Wasn't this tested ?? If not.... who and what WAS tested?

> > Call me frustrated..

> > -==-

> >> > What kind of numbers online Larry?

> >> > Will it support 50+ 60+ ?? drivers in a race?
> >> > Has that been tested? What's the highest number you have been online
> >> > with?

> >> > Thanks in advance

> >> Earlier on (about last year)iRacingheld some fun races with 40+
> >> drivers which seemed to work out fine, in the current format the
> >> maximum number of racers is limited to 12-14 I believe, depending on
> >> the series and kind of track being run (roadie or oval). A larger
> >> field will automatically be split on to several race servers (say you
> >> have 16 peeps registered for a 12 max race, you'll end up on a server
> >> with 8 racers each).

> >> Cheers, uwe

> >> --

> > The lower series (which they all are right now) have smaller fields
> > (and shorter races in some cases). The top-tiers will be full
> > tracks. :)- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Like you weren't going to attack iRacing on behalf of you r2r master on this
> front!

> You lose, you loser. HAHAHAHAHAH LOL!

> We are legion

> PS, Thanks for coming out and denying it so quickly. That remove any element
> of doubt from our minds that it was you.

> > I think you're being a bit dim. 12 to 14 closely matched cars and drivers
> > is
> > plenty to race against.

> > Some of the beta testers have stated that they've raced with big grids. I
> > think the number 30 was mentioned.

> > This sounds just like the kind of stuff David G Fisher used to come out
> > with
> > when GPL first arrived.

> > Here's a reminder from ten years hence:

> > >GPL is not the first racing sim/game to offer TCP/IP racing. It's far
> > >from
> > >it. Yet, even though it has the advantage of being the most recent
> > >release,
> > >it's performance on the net is disappointing. I'm at the point now with
> > >GPL
> > >online that I don't even care what the reasons are for performance
> > >problems. If too much info is being sent, then they should of cut back on
> > >the unnecessary info and just sent the essential. They should of simply
> > >copied whatever other sim developers did that works.

> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/browse_thread/thr...

> > Of course where was nothing wrong with GPL's net code and when that became
> > apparent, he just switched his attack to a different angle.

> > > Hmmmmm
> > > Not sure quite what to say other than to comment on how it seems that
> > > no-one will answer the question.
> > > (at least Uwe honestly stated 12-14 in his experience T.Y. Uwe) --
> > > Everyone else provides "fluff" responses IMHO

> > > "The system is far more complicated than a single question like "How
> > > many
> > > can race at once"
> > > -- this sounds like a Bush statement -- it has ZERO information or
> > > facts,
> > > but lovely propaganda.

> > > "The lower series (which they all are right now) have smaller fields
> > > (and
> > > shorter races in some cases). The top-tiers will be full tracks. :)"
> > > -- this again really tells me (us) nothing at all. Zero facts. Or should
> > > one assume a "full track" is 14 drivers (see above)?

> > > iRacing must be very complicated if no-one can, or will, admit to the
> > > MAXIMUM NUMBER of drivers online at once.

> > > I am asking what would appear to me to be a simple enough question. I've
> > > worked in the computer industry for 25 years.... I would feel pretty
> > > uncomfortable using the answers provided here to present my software to
> > > anyone.
> > > "It's complicated"
> > > "It's gets bigger and better later"

> > > It looks like .... "smoke and mirrors".

> > > Please ~~ anyone ~~ that can answer a simple question. Please do so.

> > > It would seem clear enough to me that BETA testers would have actually
> > > tested how many users/drivers the sim can support online at once. Am I
> > > crazy? Wasn't this tested ?? If not.... who and what WAS tested?

> > > Call me frustrated..

> > > -==-

> > >> > What kind of numbers online Larry?

> > >> > Will it support 50+ 60+ ?? drivers in a race?
> > >> > Has that been tested? What's the highest number you have been online
> > >> > with?

> > >> > Thanks in advance

> > >> Earlier on (about last year)iRacingheld some fun races with 40+
> > >> drivers which seemed to work out fine, in the current format the
> > >> maximum number of racers is limited to 12-14 I believe, depending on
> > >> the series and kind of track being run (roadie or oval). A larger
> > >> field will automatically be split on to several race servers (say you
> > >> have 16 peeps registered for a 12 max race, you'll end up on a server
> > >> with 8 racers each).

> > >> Cheers, uwe

> > >> --

> > > The lower series (which they all are right now) have smaller fields
> > > (and shorter races in some cases). The top-tiers will be full
> > > tracks. :)- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Sorry tiny, but you are wrong.

> BTW, I was one of a very, very small group who were chosen to beta
> test VROC by one of it's main developers. That same developer gave me
> beta testing duties when he moved on to another company afterwards.
> Think about that for a moment. Feeling as stupid as your nickname?- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

>> 12 is seriously NOT enough.  I would quit a league that only had 12
>> competitors per race.

> That's only a limitation of racing in the rookie classes, I
> believe. I've read of larger "fun" events being run on the forums, but
> never mamaged to participate in one because of the silly time zone
> differences, so I cannot really comment on how many were able to race
> without problems.

> I'm certain that the fixed maximum number of drivers per race in the
> rookie classes is not of a technical nature, but a regulatory one
> chosen by iRacing to put a limit on the number or crashes and
> incidents that can occur (less cars == less chance of big pile-ups).

> All the best, Uwe

> --

>> I am not bashing or complaining or trying to be disparaging..... I am
>> only trying to get the answer to the question "Will iRacing be able to
>> host MORE THAN (or equal to) 50 drivers at a time."

> Most of the new intake of beta testers (like me) just won't know as we are
> running in relatively small fields which form the Rookie series. Some of
> the longer term guys may have done some test races in the past?

> For road racing (my preference) grids of that size sound more like a
> commuting run simulation :)

> I just don't think possibly anyone on here knows rather than being coy.

> Cheers
> Tony

> Like you weren't going to attack iRacing on behalf of you r2r master on
> this
> front!

> You lose, you loser. HAHAHAHAHAH LOL!

> We are legion

> PS, Thanks for coming out and denying it so quickly. That remove any
> element
> of doubt from our minds that it was you.

> > I think you're being a bit dim. 12 to 14 closely matched cars and
> > drivers
> > is
> > plenty to race against.

> > Some of the beta testers have stated that they've raced with big grids.
> > I
> > think the number 30 was mentioned.

> > This sounds just like the kind of stuff David G Fisher used to come out
> > with
> > when GPL first arrived.

> > Here's a reminder from ten years hence:

> > >GPL is not the first racing sim/game to offer TCP/IP racing. It's far
> > >from
> > >it. Yet, even though it has the advantage of being the most recent
> > >release,
> > >it's performance on the net is disappointing. I'm at the point now with
> > >GPL
> > >online that I don't even care what the reasons are for performance
> > >problems. If too much info is being sent, then they should of cut back
> > >on
> > >the unnecessary info and just sent the essential. They should of simply
> > >copied whatever other sim developers did that works.

> >http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > Of course where was nothing wrong with GPL's net code and when that
> > became
> > apparent, he just switched his attack to a different angle.

> > > Hmmmmm
> > > Not sure quite what to say other than to comment on how it seems that
> > > no-one will answer the question.
> > > (at least Uwe honestly stated 12-14 in his experience T.Y. Uwe) --
> > > Everyone else provides "fluff" responses IMHO

> > > "The system is far more complicated than a single question like "How
> > > many
> > > can race at once"
> > > -- this sounds like a Bush statement -- it has ZERO information or
> > > facts,
> > > but lovely propaganda.

> > > "The lower series (which they all are right now) have smaller fields
> > > (and
> > > shorter races in some cases). The top-tiers will be full tracks. :)"
> > > -- this again really tells me (us) nothing at all. Zero facts. Or
> > > should
> > > one assume a "full track" is 14 drivers (see above)?

> > > iRacing must be very complicated if no-one can, or will, admit to the
> > > MAXIMUM NUMBER of drivers online at once.

> > > I am asking what would appear to me to be a simple enough question.
> > > I've
> > > worked in the computer industry for 25 years.... I would feel pretty
> > > uncomfortable using the answers provided here to present my software
> > > to
> > > anyone.
> > > "It's complicated"
> > > "It's gets bigger and better later"

> > > It looks like .... "smoke and mirrors".

> > > Please ~~ anyone ~~ that can answer a simple question. Please do so.

> > > It would seem clear enough to me that BETA testers would have actually
> > > tested how many users/drivers the sim can support online at once. Am I
> > > crazy? Wasn't this tested ?? If not.... who and what WAS tested?

> > > Call me frustrated..

> > > -==-

> > >> > What kind of numbers online Larry?

> > >> > Will it support 50+ 60+ ?? drivers in a race?
> > >> > Has that been tested? What's the highest number you have been
> > >> > online
> > >> > with?

> > >> > Thanks in advance

> > >> Earlier on (about last year)iRacingheld some fun races with 40+
> > >> drivers which seemed to work out fine, in the current format the
> > >> maximum number of racers is limited to 12-14 I believe, depending on
> > >> the series and kind of track being run (roadie or oval). A larger
> > >> field will automatically be split on to several race servers (say you
> > >> have 16 peeps registered for a 12 max race, you'll end up on a server
> > >> with 8 racers each).

> > >> Cheers, uwe

> > >> --

> > > The lower series (which they all are right now) have smaller fields
> > > (and shorter races in some cases). The top-tiers will be full
> > > tracks. :)- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Sorry tiny, but you are wrong.

> BTW, I was one of a very, very small group who were chosen to beta
> test VROC by one of it's main developers. That same developer gave me
> beta testing duties when he moved on to another company afterwards.
> Think about that for a moment. Feeling as stupid as your nickname?- Hide
> quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -