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Racing Legends Update!

rms

Racing Legends Update!

by rms » Sun, 29 Feb 2004 05:15:04

Well more of a non-updating notice, but I haven't seen it mentioned here
yet:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

rms

Goy Larse

Racing Legends Update!

by Goy Larse » Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:10:10


> Well more of a non-updating notice, but I haven't seen it mentioned here
> yet:

Interesting read I suppose, although he's not actually saying much :-D,
however, this little tidbit worried me slightly....

"being fully aware of the commercial success of titles such as GPL"

I think the West's need a new accountant :-D

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

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Stuart Becktel

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by Stuart Becktel » Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:41:01

I hope by that statement he means that they knew the lack of commercial
success that GPL had.
-Stuart Becktell


> > Well more of a non-updating notice, but I haven't seen it mentioned here
> > yet:

> Interesting read I suppose, although he's not actually saying much :-D,
> however, this little tidbit worried me slightly....

> "being fully aware of the commercial success of titles such as GPL"

> I think the West's need a new accountant :-D

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

Steve Blankenshi

Racing Legends Update!

by Steve Blankenshi » Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:48:14

What rock have you been under since Jan 29 anyway?


http://www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2395&s=76820...

rng..

Racing Legends Update!

by rng.. » Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:20:01



I think it means that they are taking their time, not rushing
anything.  Just like everyone else it seems in sim racing, ie, pwf.
Which is good in the long run, makes the product better, and the
endless need to download patch after patch exempt.  

Steve Whitt

Racing Legends Update!

by Steve Whitt » Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:11:17

what!! is it April 1st:-)

Steve

eppy

Racing Legends Update!

by eppy » Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:54:53

I beg to disagree. I  believe that the best way of debugging Sims is to
release early betas to an enthusiast group ASAP and let them find the
holes - as per Live For Speed.

Sims are so complicated that there is no way 2 people are going to find all
the holes that need patching, even if they spend an additional 5 years
debugging after 5 years wrting the code.

Where there is such complexity and risk with code, a cyclical methodology is
the only way to go. Using a big bang approach is asking for failure, as many
government departments will be aware.

JP

Racing Legends Update!

by JP » Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:06:48




> >Well more of a non-updating notice, but I haven't seen it mentioned here
> >yet:

>http://www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2395&s=76820...

a0a324f5e41b84ab6475a

  Whew......Bartender, I'll have what he's drinking please, seems to be
working just fine, thank you.

Little Jo

Racing Legends Update!

by Little Jo » Mon, 01 Mar 2004 05:15:56

What does it matter you'll never see anything from these guys, when will you
people
ever learn?
Steve Smit

Racing Legends Update!

by Steve Smit » Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:05:43

Actually, GPL has "sold" around 300,000 copies.  That is, almost 200,000
full-boat copies were distributed with a magazine, but 100K were legitimate
retail sales.  The initial "sell thru" was disappointing, around 30K, as
compared to the NR series, which eventually reached into the seven-figure
range.  The suits felt that GPL should have matched, say, IndyCar Racing (&
ICR2/CART Racing), which crept into the six-figure range.  Thus, the initial
30K (attributable mostly to game-play issues, plus some technical
glitches/hurdles) was seen as a crushing defeat and killed the possibility
of sequels (despite the fact that a terrible game like Postal, which
garnered scathing reviews and racked up a similiar 30K sell-thru, somehow
survived to become Postal II...which is an even greater critical and
commercial failure).



> > Well more of a non-updating notice, but I haven't seen it mentioned here
> > yet:

> Interesting read I suppose, although he's not actually saying much :-D,
> however, this little tidbit worried me slightly....

> "being fully aware of the commercial success of titles such as GPL"

> I think the West's need a new accountant :-D

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

David Butter

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by David Butter » Mon, 01 Mar 2004 08:17:00


Well, I hope he's right, and unlike some I've always believed that
the Wests genuinely believe they will get a sim out in the end... but
frankly I don't think about it any more. I have no evidence for this,
but my inner hunch is that the sim to beat all sims we've been hoping
for will never appear, simply because of the comment about needing
advanced machines to get the best out of RL. Development is so slow
that at the current rate, even a machine barely on the market will be
outdated by the time RL is finished, so presumably the Wests would
then go back and update everything for the new highest-spec
machines... and so on. I haven't quite lost hope... but it's close
enough that I'm not really bothered or e***d any more. :-/

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David Butter

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by David Butter » Mon, 01 Mar 2004 08:29:53


Feb 2004:

<snip>

Forgot to add my usual promise - if RL *does* turn up as a finished
game, and *does* turn out to be brilliant, then I will most certainly
come on this 'ere newsgroup and publicly say, "I was wrong, and I'm
very glad I was." :-)

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Jason Moy

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by Jason Moy » Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:00:58

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:05:43 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>Actually, GPL has "sold" around 300,000 copies.  That is, almost 200,000
>full-boat copies were distributed with a magazine, but 100K were legitimate
>retail sales.  The initial "sell thru" was disappointing, around 30K, as
>compared to the NR series, which eventually reached into the seven-figure
>range.  The suits felt that GPL should have matched, say, IndyCar Racing (&
>ICR2/CART Racing), which crept into the six-figure range.  Thus, the initial
>30K (attributable mostly to game-play issues, plus some technical
>glitches/hurdles) was seen as a crushing defeat and killed the possibility
>of sequels (despite the fact that a terrible game like Postal, which
>garnered scathing reviews and racked up a similiar 30K sell-thru, somehow
>survived to become Postal II...which is an even greater critical and
>commercial failure).

I bet if GPL 2 were released they could sell 6 figures on the first
day.

Sim racing is an entirely different market now than it was 6 years
ago.  Consumer-grade wheels were expensive, hardware wasn't up to the
task of doing reasonable physics modelling, and the overall fanbase
was nowhere near what it is now.

Jason

jon

Racing Legends Update!

by jon » Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:56:51

yes I agree there will most likely never be a need to download any RL
patches

Alan Bernard

Racing Legends Update!

by Alan Bernard » Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:33:14



> > Well more of a non-updating notice, but I haven't seen it mentioned here
> > yet:

> Interesting read I suppose, although he's not actually saying much :-D,
> however, this little tidbit worried me slightly....

> "being fully aware of the commercial success of titles such as GPL"

> I think the West's need a new accountant :-D

Seriously, I have more confidence in Elvis actually being alive than I do
that this Racing Legends from this West group will actually raise itself
from the dead.

LFS is the only bright spot these days.

Alanb


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