rec.autos.simulators

by **Craig Jone** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 02:12:49

Apologies initially for basically nicking a question from the excellent
interview with Maxx (http://www.racesimcentral.net/), but I wanted to ask this to
all fellow r.a.s.ers anyway.

Evidently a lot of people are looking forward to this sim, and even planning
the next upgrade around it. Perhaps there is also a perception that it will
become the next GPL for many, in terms of the amount of people's leisure
time it'll take up.

Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL";
that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes that big,
do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it?

I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community, and
I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a
bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never been released.
:-[

Jonesy

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by **sudes** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:40:26

WSC will have a 917, if it is as good as GPL it will be bye bye GPL

Sudesh

by **ymenar** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:38:45

> Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL";
> that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes that
big,
> do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it?

It's irrelevant. It's not important at all, it's just a game. Do people
mourn still with Nascar Racing 1? No, we have moved to better sims. Like we
will move to a better sim if WSC is superior to GPL. Stop making this like
GPL is essential in our life :-/ It's not, it's just a ***y sim.
Whatever realistic it might be, whatever entertaining it is to us. It
happened with World Circuit, the original Nascar Racing.

They did not suffer, because "suffering" is irrelevant for a racing game.

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by **John** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:23:49

Craig,
I understand how you feel exactly.

gplrank = 159.91
Guess we started late.

Lets look at the evidence here. (Though there may be something I do not know
about)

1. GPL came to market some time in 1998.

How many new sims since then? Chances are pretty good that WSC will come and
go like the rest.

If there is reason to believe otherwise let the world know.

John G

>Apologies initially for basically nicking a question from the excellent
>interview with Maxx (http://jc.simracing.dk/), but I wanted to ask this to
>all fellow r.a.s.ers anyway.

>Evidently a lot of people are looking forward to this sim, and even
planning
>the next upgrade around it. Perhaps there is also a perception that it
will
>become the next GPL for many, in terms of the amount of people's leisure
>time it'll take up.

>Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL";
>that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes that
big,
>do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it?

>I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community, and
>I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a
>bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never been released.
>:-[

>Jonesy

>Remove "ANTISPAM" when replying.

>GPLRANK (cough) 226.15

by **Eldre** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:56:56

>They did not suffer, because "suffering" is irrelevant for a racing game.

Have you watched any of my "fast" laps...? :-)

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by **Rod Princ** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:07:15

I beg to differ.

WSC appears to be given the same freedom and care that GPL was given
during production, I suspect that WSC will make at least as much
impact on the community as GPL has.

Cheers,
Rod.

by **David Butte** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:46:36

If it's all it's cracked up to be, then GPL will go the way of all
flesh[1] and WSC will prevail over all things. After all, the
unbelievably-hyped "open architecture" (it had better be) ought to make
it fairly simple to make 1967 F1 cars....

[1] Yeah, I know. But "the way of all CDs, disks or even cassettes
quite a while ago" sounds silly.
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:01:07

snip

> I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community, and
> I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a
> bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never been released.
> :-[

GPL simulates driving a 1967 F1 car, WSC simulates driving modern sports cars.
Why would I want to stop driving those old machines because I can drive the
new ones? I have to split my racing time between modern and old F1 and Nascar
already, so one more sim is just reducing the time for each, but will not
exclude any of them.

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by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:07:40

There's always hope.

David G Fisher

by **Jesse Blac** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:25:26

I don't race GPL for the cars or the tracks or the time period...I race it
because it is the most realistic road racing sim out there. If WSC drives
better, then I will move to it (and probably play GPL when I get frustrated
with WSC and need something easier...). I am sure there will be a WSC
rank...the problem with WSC is that it is going to have a ton of cars (lots
of add on cars) and it seems it will be easy to make/modify the tracks...so
issues of equal playing field may come up...Look at SCGT. People just keep
making better cars...You don't hear people talking about racing the original
cars to get good times...they just make a car with more horsepower and more
grip and turn faster times...false sense of improvement. If WSC gets out of
hand in this aspect (it shouldn't be bad online...I think they will have
good cheat detection for online racing) then I might have to go back to GPL
for some even racing.

We will see. In general, though, I think the pack will flock to WSC, but
they won't forget about GPL.

JB

>Apologies initially for basically nicking a question from the excellent
>interview with Maxx (http://jc.simracing.dk/), but I wanted to ask this to
>all fellow r.a.s.ers anyway.

>Evidently a lot of people are looking forward to this sim, and even
planning
>the next upgrade around it. Perhaps there is also a perception that it
will
>become the next GPL for many, in terms of the amount of people's leisure
>time it'll take up.

>Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL";
>that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes that
big,
>do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it?

>I like to think I'm becoming more involved in the unique GPL community, and
>I'd hate it as just as I'm evolving from pathetic driver to (currently) a
>bad driver (see my GPL rank), I'm left wishing WSC had never been released.
>:-[

>Jonesy

>Remove "ANTISPAM" when replying.

>GPLRANK (cough) 226.15

by **Jesse Blac** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:33:36

I don't think the issue is the time period...I don't think the majority of
the racers out there race GPL JUST because it is 1967 F1 cars...I think they
are attracted by the challenge of the realistic driving model. The problem
with the "open architecture" is that we will be getting all sorts of cars
and it may become difficult to get an even race (how do I know he hasn't
added 50 more HP to his car or decreased his drag coefficient?). This may
not be an issue for the guys that just tool around the track...but it may
become an issue in league racing and any sort of hotlap sites/WSC rank or
whatnot...Hopefully the wests will be clever enough to implement some system
that can verify the cars (maybe build a result submission system into the
game that automatically sends results and information about the car to an
email address...this way people can't fake the results). Hopefully all of
this stuff is taken into consideration and we will have a great sim for
competition.

JB

><snip>
>>What I'm wondering is, if WSC
>> becomes that big, do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the
>> enthusiasm for it?
><snip>

>If it's all it's cracked up to be, then GPL will go the way of all
>flesh[1] and WSC will prevail over all things. After all, the
>unbelievably-hyped "open architecture" (it had better be) ought to make
>it fairly simple to make 1967 F1 cars....

>[1] Yeah, I know. But "the way of all CDs, disks or even cassettes
>quite a while ago" sounds silly.
>--
>David. (GPLRank handicap -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +272.44)
>The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com
>"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
>really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

by **Todd Walk** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:32:06

This statement makes it sound like you think that GPL is the be all
and end all of racing sims, never to be conquered by another. It
isn't. Right NOW, it is the best racing sim out there, I'll admit that
much. Hell, it's about the only one I play with any regularity and I
have bunches of them. But there is always something better just over
the horizon and WSC may be it. It may not. But sooner or later,
something will come along that will knock GPL off its pedestal.

Todd Walker
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by **Gregor Vebl** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:39:58

Wrong, WSC will attempt to simulate any car, as it will be open for
editing. Therefore you could create a 1967 car with it as well.

-Gregor

> GPL simulates driving a 1967 F1 car, WSC simulates driving modern sports cars.

by **Gregor Vebl** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:38:09

It's not a problem, as it was already said WSC will have an online
checking system that will report any mismatches between the cars. It's
been done in the flight sim world before with Fighter Squadron, and that
one works brilliantly online despite being fully open for modifications.

-Gregor

> I don't think the issue is the time period...I don't think the majority of
> the racers out there race GPL JUST because it is 1967 F1 cars...I think they
> are attracted by the challenge of the realistic driving model. The problem
> with the "open architecture" is that we will be getting all sorts of cars
> and it may become difficult to get an even race (how do I know he hasn't
> added 50 more HP to his car or decreased his drag coefficient?).

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:52:02

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:12:49 GMT, "Craig Jones"

>Of course, no-one for sure currently knows if it will be "the next GPL";
>that's not what I'm asking. What I'm wondering is, if WSC becomes that big,
>do we think GPL will suffer, in terms of the enthusiasm for it?

GPL will only suffer if WSC will be a better sim than GPL is.
And it's about time that someone makes a better sim than 3-year old
GPL..

But before I will uninstall GPL, WSC must have all the cars and tracks
available for GPL, and do it better in every department :)

Andre

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