rec.autos.simulators

And then Mark Rael responded with:

So I said:

From what I have read on RAS, most people seem to agree that SCGT is
much better than Toca 2, but to be sure I would like to see if this is
true or not.

Which do YOU think is better?

My money is most certainly on SCGT!

Excellent physics.
Excellent graphics.
Excellent layout.
Excellent options.
It's a simulator, not an arcade racer just Toca 2.
It has many more cars, all of which act entirely different to each
other.

I was especially pleased by the difference between Donnington in both
games. SCGT only goes to prove how bad it was built in both Toca 1 and
2.

Thomas Ford

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But the biggest drawbacks are:
AI is pathetic
Multiplayer support is lacking.

However, if it is your cup of tea, it can be both very good and very
***ive, especially if you want a game that drives more realistic than
arcade racers but isn't as "hard" as something on the order of GPL.

They are both simulators.

And how do you feel about the disgrace known as SCGT Laguna Seca.
Having driven that track personally I refuse to race a single lap on
the SCGT version.  It's so disgustingly different from the real track
it's not worth it.  If you want to see what Laguna REALLY is like
check out EA's SBK Superbike or even the new Dreamcast CART game.  The
track accuracy is amazing in those two games.  TOCA 2 does a fine job
with most tracks, from what I've heard

Randy
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Viper Racing was cack. Nice graphics and car handling (although since
I haven't driven a Dodge Viper, I can't say whether or not it's
realistic), but beyond that, very boring indeed.

True, but just look at the reflections on the ground when rain is
switched on!

Such as?

Options like night and day, wet or try, upgrades for your car,
different leagues, all constitutes as excellent.

I've found the AI to be pretty darn good, especially when you turn up
the difficulty level.

Agreed.

Thomas Ford

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I'm afraid they're not. Toca 2 can not be concidered a simulator. Just
because you have a minute garage where you can tinker with one or two
options does not constitute a 'simulator'. You can do just as much
tweaking in Ultimate Race Pro. ;-)

I don't like Laguna Seca very much, period.

SBK did a fine job with Laguna Seca, it is true. But as I said, I
don't like the track itself very much, so I don't tend to race on it
very often.

Thomas Ford

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Which game is this? What kind of physics model does it have?

Thanks,
Sky

If thats the case, then Need For Speed or the Test Drive series become
simulators.

Better physics than SCGT, better job of handling car setups, better job of
implementing career racing.  Rest of it was sorta lame, like no sense of
speed, all fantasy tracks (that would be unreal to race on....unless its a
rally), etc.

Yawn..there are some screwups.  And hey, where is the rain coming from?
Where are the rooster tails? :)  Not to mention, their environmental mapping
feature looked horrid...

And lack of ability to save setups?  Lack of any telemtry options?  Hard to
use options in setting race length, etc?
Heh.

It is? Lets see.  They can't corner worth a damn, so to make up for it the
game cheats and gives them higher acceleration and top speed than normal.
Even on max settings its easy to beat them, especially in longer races,
except for the GT1 class and thats where you can really see the code
cheating.

I haven't played SCGT so I cant comment on that, but i have done a couple of
motorcycle
track days at Donnington and i personally think both TOCA games done a
pretty good
job of Donnington.

Mark
London UK

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To be considered a simulator it must have a tweakable garage, for
starters. The garage in SBK was a bare minimum, but in Toca 2 it was
just there for show and had little impact on the handling of the cars
itself.

Thomas Ford

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The physics in Viper Racing weren't half as good as they are in SCGT.
You can feel every twist and turn of the cars in SCGT, but in Viper
Racing the car simply slid around every demanding corner.

Thomas Ford

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Thomas Ford

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This is meaningless.  I can transfer power to different systems in
X-Wing Alliance...

Ah, well, that settles it.  You don't like Laguna Seca, so therefore
we can exclude it from all consideration of the job that was done on
it in SCGT!

Well, I'm glad you enjoy the game.  But you have to admit, dismissing
the gross track inaccuracy problems just because you don't like the
real life track is rather lame from a debate standpoint.

Randy
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Randy