rec.autos.simulators

> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> to take effect. Reboot now?

> > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than finding glitches
or
> > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after a 2 hour
> > installation procedure due to the security BS on the CD-ROM, I launched
> N4.

> > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during practise...and that
> > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or disabled vehicles
> don't
> > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of stupidity as the AI on
pit
> > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while running
> practise...most
> > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the field just piles
> in
> > without even attempting to brake.

> > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that has a smaller
field,
> > the field size remains at the reduced number even when you go back to a
> > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious option or default
to
> > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation of what this does
> and
> > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure out the best way
to
> > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you rev up the
engine
> > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are actually
turning
> > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque would be
> sufficient.

> > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on "Realistic."  You can get
> > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still drive away with
> just
> > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is actually worse
> than
> > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works well, as
expected.

> > Marc.

> > --

> > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > to take effect. Reboot now?

> Yellows in practise...yes.  Do you think that it is just a free for all in
> the real NASCAR practise sessions?  The point was that the AI's sense of
> what is around them seems to be triggered by the yellow flag because
during
> a race, under a yellow flag situation, they act reasonably.  During
practise
> mode, under what would be a yellow flag situation if there were yellow
> flags, the AI drive like suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

> Marc.

> > Are you going to return it? If your answer is no then you really can't
> ***
> > cause you are going to keep it anyway. Oh, and yellows in
> > practice??????????? HUH???????

> > > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than finding glitches
> or
> > > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after a 2 hour
> > > installation procedure due to the security BS on the CD-ROM, I
launched
> > N4.

> > > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during practise...and
that
> > > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or disabled vehicles
> > don't
> > > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of stupidity as the AI on
> pit
> > > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while running
> > practise...most
> > > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the field just
piles
> > in
> > > without even attempting to brake.

> > > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that has a smaller
> field,
> > > the field size remains at the reduced number even when you go back to
a
> > > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious option or default
> to
> > > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation of what this
does
> > and
> > > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure out the best way
> to
> > > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you rev up the
> engine
> > > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are actually
> turning
> > > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque would be
> > sufficient.

> > > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on "Realistic."  You can get
> > > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still drive away
with
> > just
> > > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is actually worse
> > than
> > > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works well, as
> expected.

> > > Marc.

> > > --

> > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > to take effect. Reboot now?

> > Whether I return it or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether I post
an
> > opinion here...or what that opinion may be.

> > Yellows in practise...yes.  Do you think that it is just a free for all
in
> > the real NASCAR practise sessions?  The point was that the AI's sense of
> > what is around them seems to be triggered by the yellow flag because
> during
> > a race, under a yellow flag situation, they act reasonably.  During
> practise
> > mode, under what would be a yellow flag situation if there were yellow
> > flags, the AI drive like suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

> > Marc.

> > > Are you going to return it? If your answer is no then you really can't
> > ***
> > > cause you are going to keep it anyway. Oh, and yellows in
> > > practice??????????? HUH???????

> > > > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than finding
glitches
> > or
> > > > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after a 2 hour
> > > > installation procedure due to the security BS on the CD-ROM, I
> launched
> > > N4.

> > > > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during practise...and
> that
> > > > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or disabled
vehicles
> > > don't
> > > > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of stupidity as the AI
on
> > pit
> > > > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while running
> > > practise...most
> > > > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the field just
> piles
> > > in
> > > > without even attempting to brake.

> > > > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that has a smaller
> > field,
> > > > the field size remains at the reduced number even when you go back
to
> a
> > > > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious option or
default
> > to
> > > > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > > > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation of what this
> does
> > > and
> > > > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure out the best
way
> > to
> > > > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > > > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you rev up the
> > engine
> > > > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are actually
> > turning
> > > > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque would be
> > > sufficient.

> > > > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on "Realistic."  You can
get
> > > > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still drive away
> with
> > > just
> > > > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is actually
worse
> > > than
> > > > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works well, as
> > expected.

> > > > Marc.

> > > > --

> > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

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> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
> hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

> Marc.

> > Running a testing session would alleviate your problems. Then it would
> just
> > be you on the track.

> > > Whether I return it or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether I post
> an
> > > opinion here...or what that opinion may be.

> > > Yellows in practise...yes.  Do you think that it is just a free for
all
> in
> > > the real NASCAR practise sessions?  The point was that the AI's sense
of
> > > what is around them seems to be triggered by the yellow flag because
> > during
> > > a race, under a yellow flag situation, they act reasonably.  During
> > practise
> > > mode, under what would be a yellow flag situation if there were yellow
> > > flags, the AI drive like suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

> > > Marc.

> > > > Are you going to return it? If your answer is no then you really
can't
> > > ***
> > > > cause you are going to keep it anyway. Oh, and yellows in
> > > > practice??????????? HUH???????

> > > > > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than finding
> glitches
> > > or
> > > > > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after a 2 hour
> > > > > installation procedure due to the security BS on the CD-ROM, I
> > launched
> > > > N4.

> > > > > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during practise...and
> > that
> > > > > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or disabled
> vehicles
> > > > don't
> > > > > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of stupidity as the
AI
> on
> > > pit
> > > > > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while running
> > > > practise...most
> > > > > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the field just
> > piles
> > > > in
> > > > > without even attempting to brake.

> > > > > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that has a
smaller
> > > field,
> > > > > the field size remains at the reduced number even when you go back
> to
> > a
> > > > > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious option or
> default
> > > to
> > > > > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > > > > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation of what
this
> > does
> > > > and
> > > > > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure out the best
> way
> > > to
> > > > > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > > > > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you rev up
the
> > > engine
> > > > > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are actually
> > > turning
> > > > > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque would be
> > > > sufficient.

> > > > > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on "Realistic."  You can
> get
> > > > > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still drive away
> > with
> > > > just
> > > > > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is actually
> worse
> > > > than
> > > > > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works well, as
> > > expected.

> > > > > Marc.

> > > > > --

> > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

> Vintook

> > Thanks for the useful suggestion.  You don't happen to work for Sierra,
do
> > you?

> > Marc.

> > > Running a testing session would alleviate your problems. Then it would
> > just
> > > be you on the track.

> > > > Whether I return it or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether I
post
> > an
> > > > opinion here...or what that opinion may be.

> > > > Yellows in practise...yes.  Do you think that it is just a free for
> all
> > in
> > > > the real NASCAR practise sessions?  The point was that the AI's
sense
> of
> > > > what is around them seems to be triggered by the yellow flag because
> > > during
> > > > a race, under a yellow flag situation, they act reasonably.  During
> > > practise
> > > > mode, under what would be a yellow flag situation if there were
yellow
> > > > flags, the AI drive like suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

> > > > Marc.

> > > > > Are you going to return it? If your answer is no then you really
> can't
> > > > ***
> > > > > cause you are going to keep it anyway. Oh, and yellows in
> > > > > practice??????????? HUH???????

> > > > > > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than finding
> > glitches
> > > > or
> > > > > > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after a 2 hour
> > > > > > installation procedure due to the security BS on the CD-ROM, I
> > > launched
> > > > > N4.

> > > > > > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during
practise...and
> > > that
> > > > > > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or disabled
> > vehicles
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of stupidity as the
> AI
> > on
> > > > pit
> > > > > > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while running
> > > > > practise...most
> > > > > > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the field
just
> > > piles
> > > > > in
> > > > > > without even attempting to brake.

> > > > > > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that has a
> smaller
> > > > field,
> > > > > > the field size remains at the reduced number even when you go
back
> > to
> > > a
> > > > > > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious option or
> > default
> > > > to
> > > > > > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > > > > > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation of what
> this
> > > does
> > > > > and
> > > > > > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure out the
best
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > > > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > > > > > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you rev up
> the
> > > > engine
> > > > > > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are
actually
> > > > turning
> > > > > > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque would be
> > > > > sufficient.

> > > > > > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on "Realistic."  You
can
> > get
> > > > > > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still drive
away
> > > with
> > > > > just
> > > > > > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is actually
> > worse
> > > > > than
> > > > > > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works well, as
> > > > expected.

> > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

> The AI during "incidents" in practise sessions in N4 is absurd.

> Marc.

> > No, I happen to have a brain and realize that yellows during practice is
> > absurd.
> > Vintook

> > > Thanks for the useful suggestion.  You don't happen to work for Sierra,
> do
> > > you?

> > > Marc.

> > > > Running a testing session would alleviate your problems. Then it would
> > > just
> > > > be you on the track.

> > > > > Whether I return it or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether I
> post
> > > an
> > > > > opinion here...or what that opinion may be.

> > > > > Yellows in practise...yes.  Do you think that it is just a free for
> > all
> > > in
> > > > > the real NASCAR practise sessions?  The point was that the AI's
> sense
> > of
> > > > > what is around them seems to be triggered by the yellow flag because
> > > > during
> > > > > a race, under a yellow flag situation, they act reasonably.  During
> > > > practise
> > > > > mode, under what would be a yellow flag situation if there were
> yellow
> > > > > flags, the AI drive like suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

> > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > Are you going to return it? If your answer is no then you really
> > can't
> > > > > ***
> > > > > > cause you are going to keep it anyway. Oh, and yellows in
> > > > > > practice??????????? HUH???????

> > > > > > > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than finding
> > > glitches
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after a 2 hour
> > > > > > > installation procedure due to the security BS on the CD-ROM, I
> > > > launched
> > > > > > N4.

> > > > > > > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during
> practise...and
> > > > that
> > > > > > > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or disabled
> > > vehicles
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of stupidity as the
> > AI
> > > on
> > > > > pit
> > > > > > > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while running
> > > > > > practise...most
> > > > > > > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the field
> just
> > > > piles
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > without even attempting to brake.

> > > > > > > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that has a
> > smaller
> > > > > field,
> > > > > > > the field size remains at the reduced number even when you go
> back
> > > to
> > > > a
> > > > > > > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious option or
> > > default
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > > > > > > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation of what
> > this
> > > > does
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure out the
> best
> > > way
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > > > > > > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you rev up
> > the
> > > > > engine
> > > > > > > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are
> actually
> > > > > turning
> > > > > > > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque would be
> > > > > > sufficient.

> > > > > > > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on "Realistic."  You
> can
> > > get
> > > > > > > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still drive
> away
> > > > with
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is actually
> > > worse
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works well, as
> > > > > expected.

> > > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > > --

> ****************************************************************************
> > > > > > > Marc Collins

> > > > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

> ****************************************************************************

> > The AI during "incidents" in practise sessions in N4 is absurd.

> > Marc.

> > > No, I happen to have a brain and realize that yellows during practice
is
> > > absurd.

> > > Vintook

> > > > Thanks for the useful suggestion.  You don't happen to work for
Sierra,
> > do
> > > > you?

> > > > Marc.

> > > > > Running a testing session would alleviate your problems. Then it
would
> > > > just
> > > > > be you on the track.

> > > > > > Whether I return it or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether
I
> > post
> > > > an
> > > > > > opinion here...or what that opinion may be.

> > > > > > Yellows in practise...yes.  Do you think that it is just a free
for
> > > all
> > > > in
> > > > > > the real NASCAR practise sessions?  The point was that the AI's
> > sense
> > > of
> > > > > > what is around them seems to be triggered by the yellow flag
because
> > > > > during
> > > > > > a race, under a yellow flag situation, they act reasonably.
During
> > > > > practise
> > > > > > mode, under what would be a yellow flag situation if there were
> > yellow
> > > > > > flags, the AI drive like suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

> > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > > Are you going to return it? If your answer is no then you
really
> > > can't
> > > > > > ***
> > > > > > > cause you are going to keep it anyway. Oh, and yellows in
> > > > > > > practice??????????? HUH???????

> > > > > > > > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than
finding
> > > > glitches
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after a 2
hour
> > > > > > > > installation procedure due to the security BS on the CD-ROM,
I
> > > > > launched
> > > > > > > N4.

> > > > > > > > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during
> > practise...and
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or disabled
> > > > vehicles
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of stupidity as
the
> > > AI
> > > > on
> > > > > > pit
> > > > > > > > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while running
> > > > > > > practise...most
> > > > > > > > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the
field
> > just
> > > > > piles
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > without even attempting to brake.

> > > > > > > > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that has a
> > > smaller
> > > > > > field,
> > > > > > > > the field size remains at the reduced number even when you
go
> > back
> > > > to
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious option
or
> > > > default
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > > > > > > > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation of
what
> > > this
> > > > > does
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure out
the
> > best
> > > > way
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > > > > > > > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you rev
up
> > > the
> > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are
> > actually
> > > > > > turning
> > > > > > > > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque would
be
> > > > > > > sufficient.

> > > > > > > > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on "Realistic."
You
> > can
> > > > get
> > > > > > > > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still
drive
> > away
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is
actually
> > > > worse
> > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works
well, as
> > > > > > expected.

> > > > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the
change
> > > > > > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

> > The AI during "incidents" in practise sessions in N4 is absurd.

> > Marc.

> > > No, I happen to have a brain and realize that yellows during practice
is
> > > absurd.

> > > Vintook

> > > > Thanks for the useful suggestion.  You don't happen to work for
Sierra,
> > do
> > > > you?

> > > > Marc.

> > > > > Running a testing session would alleviate your problems. Then it
would
> > > > just
> > > > > be you on the track.

> > > > > > Whether I return it or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether
I
> > post
> > > > an
> > > > > > opinion here...or what that opinion may be.

> > > > > > Yellows in practise...yes.  Do you think that it is just a free
for
> > > all
> > > > in
> > > > > > the real NASCAR practise sessions?  The point was that the AI's
> > sense
> > > of
> > > > > > what is around them seems to be triggered by the yellow flag
because
> > > > > during
> > > > > > a race, under a yellow flag situation, they act reasonably.
During
> > > > > practise
> > > > > > mode, under what would be a yellow flag situation if there were
> > yellow
> > > > > > flags, the AI drive like suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

> > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > > Are you going to return it? If your answer is no then you
really
> > > can't
> > > > > > ***
> > > > > > > cause you are going to keep it anyway. Oh, and yellows in
> > > > > > > practice??????????? HUH???????

> > > > > > > > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than
finding
> > > > glitches
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after a 2
hour
> > > > > > > > installation procedure due to the security BS on the CD-ROM,
I
> > > > > launched
> > > > > > > N4.

> > > > > > > > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during
> > practise...and
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or disabled
> > > > vehicles
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of stupidity as
the
> > > AI
> > > > on
> > > > > > pit
> > > > > > > > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while running
> > > > > > > practise...most
> > > > > > > > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the
field
> > just
> > > > > piles
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > without even attempting to brake.

> > > > > > > > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that has a
> > > smaller
> > > > > > field,
> > > > > > > > the field size remains at the reduced number even when you
go
> > back
> > > > to
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious option
or
> > > > default
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > > > > > > > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation of
what
> > > this
> > > > > does
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure out
the
> > best
> > > > way
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > > > > > > > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you rev
up
> > > the
> > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are
> > actually
> > > > > > turning
> > > > > > > > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque would
be
> > > > > > > sufficient.

> > > > > > > > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on "Realistic."
You
> > can
> > > > get
> > > > > > > > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still
drive
> > away
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is
actually
> > > > worse
> > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works
well, as
> > > > > > expected.

> > > > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the
change
> > > > > > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

> When there is a "Yellow" during a real WC Practice, they basically all go
> into the pit and sit there until the mess is cleaned up.

> I do not know about you, but if I am practicing with the AI, the last
thing
> I want to do is go sit in the pit for 5 min while the game simulates
> cleaning up the mess

> There is NO pace car on yellows during practice

> > I think practice should have yellows too. At *least* as an option..

> > > The AI during "incidents" in practise sessions in N4 is absurd.

> > > Marc.

> > > > No, I happen to have a brain and realize that yellows during
practice
> is
> > > > absurd.

> > > > Vintook

> > > > > Thanks for the useful suggestion.  You don't happen to work for
> Sierra,
> > > do
> > > > > you?

> > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > Running a testing session would alleviate your problems. Then it
> would
> > > > > just
> > > > > > be you on the track.

> > > > > > > Whether I return it or not has no bearing whatsoever on
whether
> I
> > > post
> > > > > an
> > > > > > > opinion here...or what that opinion may be.

> > > > > > > Yellows in practise...yes.  Do you think that it is just a
free
> for
> > > > all
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the real NASCAR practise sessions?  The point was that the
AI's
> > > sense
> > > > of
> > > > > > > what is around them seems to be triggered by the yellow flag
> because
> > > > > > during
> > > > > > > a race, under a yellow flag situation, they act reasonably.
> During
> > > > > > practise
> > > > > > > mode, under what would be a yellow flag situation if there
were
> > > yellow
> > > > > > > flags, the AI drive like suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

> > > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > > > Are you going to return it? If your answer is no then you
> really
> > > > can't
> > > > > > > ***
> > > > > > > > cause you are going to keep it anyway. Oh, and yellows in
> > > > > > > > practice??????????? HUH???????

> > > > > > > > > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than
> finding
> > > > > glitches
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after a
2
> hour
> > > > > > > > > installation procedure due to the security BS on the
CD-ROM,
> I
> > > > > > launched
> > > > > > > > N4.

> > > > > > > > > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during
> > > practise...and
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or
disabled
> > > > > vehicles
> > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of stupidity
as
> the
> > > > AI
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > pit
> > > > > > > > > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while
running
> > > > > > > > practise...most
> > > > > > > > > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the
> field
> > > just
> > > > > > piles
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > without even attempting to brake.

> > > > > > > > > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that has
a
> > > > smaller
> > > > > > > field,
> > > > > > > > > the field size remains at the reduced number even when you
> go
> > > back
> > > > > to
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious
option
> or
> > > > > default
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > > > > > > > > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation of
> what
> > > > this
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure out
> the
> > > best
> > > > > way
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > > > > > > > > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you
rev
> up
> > > > the
> > > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are
> > > actually
> > > > > > > turning
> > > > > > > > > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque
would
> be
> > > > > > > > sufficient.

> > > > > > > > > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on "Realistic."
> You
> > > can
> > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still
> drive
> > > away
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is
> actually
> > > > > worse
> > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works
> well, as
> > > > > > > expected.

> > > > > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the
> change
> > > > > > > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

> Marc.

> "Cliff Roman" <crom...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> news:969nf7$1g1i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net...
> > In a way I would agree, but think about how it would work.

> > When there is a "Yellow" during a real WC Practice, they basically all
go
> > into the pit and sit there until the mess is cleaned up.

> > I do not know about you, but if I am practicing with the AI, the last
> thing
> > I want to do is go sit in the pit for 5 min while the game simulates
> > cleaning up the mess

> > There is NO pace car on yellows during practice

> > "Mick" <micks...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3A88573E.1DDA0F91@earthlink.net...
> > > I think practice should have yellows too. At *least* as an option..

> > > Marc Collins wrote:

> > > > The AI during "incidents" in practise sessions in N4 is absurd.

> > > > Marc.

> > > > "Vintook" <Vint...@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZdIh6.15360$ra.1480578@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
> > > > > No, I happen to have a brain and realize that yellows during
> practice
> > is
> > > > > absurd.

> > > > > Vintook

> > > > > "Marc Collins" <marc_coll...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:XVjh6.88335$Pm2.1831284@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > > > Thanks for the useful suggestion.  You don't happen to work for
> > Sierra,
> > > > do
> > > > > > you?

> > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > "Vintook" <Vint...@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:_2jh6.10377$ra.897918@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
> > > > > > > Running a testing session would alleviate your problems. Then
it
> > would
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > be you on the track.

> > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <marc_coll...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:RZhh6.221134$JT5.8117966@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > > > > > Whether I return it or not has no bearing whatsoever on
> whether
> > I
> > > > post
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > opinion here...or what that opinion may be.

> > > > > > > > Yellows in practise...yes.  Do you think that it is just a
> free
> > for
> > > > > all
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the real NASCAR practise sessions?  The point was that the
> AI's
> > > > sense
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > what is around them seems to be triggered by the yellow flag
> > because
> > > > > > > during
> > > > > > > > a race, under a yellow flag situation, they act reasonably.
> > During
> > > > > > > practise
> > > > > > > > mode, under what would be a yellow flag situation if there
> were
> > > > yellow
> > > > > > > > flags, the AI drive like suicidal, homicidal maniacs.

> > > > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > > > "Vintook" <Vint...@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:Jeeh6.4646$xh3.406740@typhoon.kc.rr.com...
> > > > > > > > > Are you going to return it? If your answer is no then you
> > really
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > bitch
> > > > > > > > > cause you are going to keep it anyway. Oh, and yellows in
> > > > > > > > > practice??????????? HUH???????

> > > > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <marc_coll...@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > news:J%3h6.219020$JT5.8018949@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > > > > > > > I told the NH guys that nothing is more annoying than
> > finding
> > > > > > glitches
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > bugs within 5 minutes of running the game.  Well, after
a
> 2
> > hour
> > > > > > > > > > installation procedure due to the security BS on the
> CD-ROM,
> > I
> > > > > > > launched
> > > > > > > > > N4.

> > > > > > > > > > Two immediate problems: there are no yellows during
> > > > practise...and
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > seems to mean that the AI drive as though slower or
> disabled
> > > > > > vehicles
> > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > exist.  Ramming time...about the same degree of
stupidity
> as
> > the
> > > > > AI
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > pit
> > > > > > > > > > lane in NH.  A ridiculous number of incidents while
> running
> > > > > > > > > practise...most
> > > > > > > > > > of which turn into catastrophes because the rest of the
> > field
> > > > just
> > > > > > > piles
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > without even attempting to brake.

> > > > > > > > > > The second is just silly: when you visit a track that
has
> a
> > > > > smaller
> > > > > > > > field,
> > > > > > > > > > the field size remains at the reduced number even when
you
> > go
> > > > back
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > track that permits more.  There should be an obvious
> option
> > or
> > > > > > default
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > maximum field size for those who prefer that.

> > > > > > > > > > "Damping" in the FFB set-up...where is the explanation
of
> > what
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > how to set it?  I hope it won't take a year to figure
out
> > the
> > > > best
> > > > > > way
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > adjust FFB like it did with GPL.

> > > > > > > > > > What the hell is with the wheel flailing around when you
> rev
> > up
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > > in neutral??  Is someone suggesting the front wheels are
> > > > actually
> > > > > > > > turning
> > > > > > > > > > like that????  A bit of rocking from the engine torque
> would
> > be
> > > > > > > > > sufficient.

> > > > > > > > > > Lastly, the damage is quite relaxed--even on
"Realistic."
> > You
> > > > can
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > slammed into by someone running at full speed and still
> > drive
> > > > away
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > localised damage.  So far, there are several ways N4 is
> > actually
> > > > > > worse
> > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > N3.  Fortunately, the whole GPL base for the game works
> > well, as
> > > > > > > > expected.

> > > > > > > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the
> > change
> > > > > > > > > > to take effect. Reboot now?