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N4 locks up in 5 minutes

Brian M

N4 locks up in 5 minutes

by Brian M » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:41:44

Hi,
    I developed a problem recently where about 5 minutes into N4 (D3D, Papy
patched version 4.1.1, 1024 x 768 - 16), it locks up, playing whatever sound
it stopped on, in a constant drone.  It has happened during a race, practice
and replays.  I have reinstalled and the same thing happens.  I tried
reinstalling without the Papy patch and the same thing happens.  I am
currently running the latest drivers on my:

Radeon DDR 64
Sound Blaster Live 5.1

Other specs are:
Athlon 1.2 gz
512 ram
Win98SE
Thrustmaster Nascar Pro Digital Wheel

    What's confusing is it works fine for a while, 50-60 fps with everything
on, menus, etc.  Also, ALL other sims run fine:  GPL, N Legends, N3, F1
2000, F1CS2000, N Heat.  I suppose one would say "just run the others"  but
I would like to be way better at N4 and only get about 5 mins. in before I
have to shut down and reboot. Would appreciates any comments and/or advice!
-Brian

Haqsa

N4 locks up in 5 minutes

by Haqsa » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:08:35

I thought I had this figured out until you said D3D.  Are you sure
you're not running OpenGL?  Because I know that there is only one set of
Radeon OpenGL drivers that are known to work with N4, those being the
7041 drivers, and the symptom of having the wrong drivers is exactly as
you described.  Actually OpenGL is faster than D3D in this situation
anyway, so what I would recommend doing is sticking the OpenGL dll from
the 7041 drivers into your N4 directory and then switching N4 to OpenGL.
The file you are looking for is called atio9xag.dll.  That's how I'm
running it and I don't have any lockups.  Before I did that I had the
same problem you described.  If you want to try this but can't find a
copy of the 7041 drivers let me know and I will e-mail the dll to you.
It's only about 1.2 meg.

Regards,
Haqsau


Tim Elhaj

N4 locks up in 5 minutes

by Tim Elhaj » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:15:29

Are you overclocking any of your components? When I ran my AMD 1.2 at 1.4 I
would get this. I believe it was a heat issue for me. I added a bigger hs/f
and it stopped locking up. Then ambient temps went up with summer and the
lockups came back, so I backed off to 1.33 and it's stable as a rock.

Try taking off the case and pointing a big house fan at the computers guts.
If you can run a race in N4 like that, the computer's cooling system is
suspect. AMD's do run kinda hot.

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SimRace

N4 locks up in 5 minutes

by SimRace » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:33:08

Yup, sounds like an overheating problem if you can still hear the sound when
the video freezes. Especially given the fact it is running for a while
before locking up.

Stop overcloking anything that you are currently OCing, make sure you have
good airflow through the case and then try it. If all else fails, try the
previous idea, open your case and try a house fan pointed toward it. Those
AMD's (I luv 'em, dont get me wrong) run hot hot hot. Make sure you have the
heat sink on the CPU correctly and a fan attached properly as well.

I'm not familiar with the Radeon line, I uses GF's, but if the video card
just has a heat sink, you may want to try a cooling fan on it too.

SimRacer


> Are you overclocking any of your components? When I ran my AMD 1.2 at 1.4
I
> would get this. I believe it was a heat issue for me. I added a bigger
hs/f
> and it stopped locking up. Then ambient temps went up with summer and the
> lockups came back, so I backed off to 1.33 and it's stable as a rock.

> Try taking off the case and pointing a big house fan at the computers
guts.
> If you can run a race in N4 like that, the computer's cooling system is
> suspect. AMD's do run kinda hot.

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> > Hi,
> >     I developed a problem recently where about 5 minutes into N4 (D3D,
> Papy
> > patched version 4.1.1, 1024 x 768 - 16), it locks up, playing whatever
> sound
> > it stopped on, in a constant drone.  It has happened during a race,
> practice
> > and replays.  I have reinstalled and the same thing happens.  I tried
> > reinstalling without the Papy patch and the same thing happens.  I am
> > currently running the latest drivers on my:

> > Radeon DDR 64
> > Sound Blaster Live 5.1

> > Other specs are:
> > Athlon 1.2 gz
> > 512 ram
> > Win98SE
> > Thrustmaster Nascar Pro Digital Wheel

> >     What's confusing is it works fine for a while, 50-60 fps with
> everything
> > on, menus, etc.  Also, ALL other sims run fine:  GPL, N Legends, N3, F1
> > 2000, F1CS2000, N Heat.  I suppose one would say "just run the others"
> but
> > I would like to be way better at N4 and only get about 5 mins. in before
I
> > have to shut down and reboot. Would appreciates any comments and/or
> advice!
> > -Brian

Brian M

N4 locks up in 5 minutes

by Brian M » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:57:20

Thanks for the replys, guys.  No, I'm not computer literate enuf to
overclock and I'm running the AMD chip fan and two case fans, front one
"in", rear one "out" so I don't think It's a heat issue.  My VIA System
Monitor program reports temps at 80o CPU and 76o case.  That sounds pretty
cool to me.  I've tried to run in OpenGL (without the dll file Haqsau spoke
of) and the same thing happens, looping would be the correct term.  Perhaps
Haqsau will send it to me.  Thanks again for the advice, I'll keep working
at it!

-Brian

www.brianmclernon.com

Haqsa

N4 locks up in 5 minutes

by Haqsa » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:46:33

It's in the mail!  ;o)


> Thanks for the replys, guys.  No, I'm not computer literate enuf to
> overclock and I'm running the AMD chip fan and two case fans, front
one
> "in", rear one "out" so I don't think It's a heat issue.  My VIA
System
> Monitor program reports temps at 80o CPU and 76o case.  That sounds
pretty
> cool to me.  I've tried to run in OpenGL (without the dll file Haqsau
spoke
> of) and the same thing happens, looping would be the correct term.
Perhaps
> Haqsau will send it to me.  Thanks again for the advice, I'll keep
working
> at it!

> -Brian

> www.brianmclernon.com


> > Hi,
> >     I developed a problem recently where about 5 minutes into N4
(D3D,
> Papy
> > patched version 4.1.1, 1024 x 768 - 16), it locks up, playing
whatever
> sound
> > it stopped on, in a constant drone.  It has happened during a race,
> practice
> > and replays.  I have reinstalled and the same thing happens.  I
tried
> > reinstalling without the Papy patch and the same thing happens.  I
am
> > currently running the latest drivers on my:

> > Radeon DDR 64
> > Sound Blaster Live 5.1

> > Other specs are:
> > Athlon 1.2 gz
> > 512 ram
> > Win98SE
> > Thrustmaster Nascar Pro Digital Wheel

> >     What's confusing is it works fine for a while, 50-60 fps with
> everything
> > on, menus, etc.  Also, ALL other sims run fine:  GPL, N Legends, N3,
F1
> > 2000, F1CS2000, N Heat.  I suppose one would say "just run the
others"
> but
> > I would like to be way better at N4 and only get about 5 mins. in
before I
> > have to shut down and reboot. Would appreciates any comments and/or
> advice!
> > -Brian

pw

N4 locks up in 5 minutes

by pw » Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:00:34

You didn't mention your motherboard (I think).  I had the same problem
w/ my old Gigabyte because it didn't have and AGP 2.0 compliant slot
and the Hercules MX card I installed required it.  I rebuild my system
w/ an AGP 2.0 compliant mobo (and a Herc GTS Pro card) and the lockups
w/ N4 are gone.

-pw

Joeri Co

N4 locks up in 5 minutes

by Joeri Co » Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:07:36

I have had the same problem and I THINK I have it covered now. In my case,
the problem was the VIA chipset on the motherboard. I have downloaded the
latest Bios (I have an Abit KT7A-RAID) which has a new option called
something like "PCI Latency". This was default at 1, I have now set it to 15
and have not seen the locking up anymore. The real test will be on Wednesday
in my league race, though. But I'm very hopeful.
---
Joeri J. Cox

European Racing League GM - http://www.europeanracingleague.com
502 Racing co-founder - http://www.502racing.com



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