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www.crappysims.com
Just kidding, I hear the physics aren't very good but it might have some
good historical info

You really ought to put a [nt] in that subject line. I thought my connection had
stalled out! :)

Don't buy SoS. It sukz. Yes, it is that simple.

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FWIW, there's a VERY good thread about SoS on the High Gear forums:

http://forums.simracingnews.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&...

This thread talks about a small utility called "CTFJ!" that allows you
to adjust your joystick or wheel dead zone, and it REALLY makes a
difference with SoS.  I spent a LOT of time playing with the SoS demo
this past weekend, and I ordered the full version on Friday.  This
game may not be the tops when it comes to vehicle simulation, but as a
nice little historic racin simulation, it does seem like it can be a
lot of fun.  

Here's where I ordered my copy of SoS:

http://www.softwarefirst.com

They're in the UK, but I ordered SoS from them for $19 (U.S.),
INCLUDING shipping.

I'll report back when I have the full version, but I think I'm going
to be spending a bit of time with this.  It won't improve my GPLRank
or my F1CS2K Rank any, but it seems like it may offer the same kind of
fun that I found in NFSPU, which sounds like a good thing to me.

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So now we have a bad title, instead of a very bad title.

Seriously, I have better time to past then to waste my time on SOS37.

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If you have Sports Car GT (if you don't buy it!) there is an excellent
1930's carset at http://www.historicscgt.homestead.com/home.html. The veh
files just need altering to be more realistic.

Chris

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Maybe so, but I've found SoS 1937 to be quite a bit more enjoyable
than GP3, for example.  As a vehicle simulator, SoS may still leave
quite a bit to be desired, but as an enjoyable depiction of historic
racing, it's really not all that bad -- certainly not down in the
"Test Drive 6" category, anyway.  The biggest disappointment about SoS
was that it was NOT a GPL-calibur simulation, but then again, neither
was NFSPU, and that was certainly an enjoyable diversion.  

Yes, we know.  ;-)

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I've downloaded all these files, and I plan on installing them tonight
(hopefully!).  If the veh files need tweaking, maybe I can find some
real-world specs on the cars and brew up some new veh files based on
the same formulae I used for the F1CS2K All Chassis Patch.  

If anybody can help out with specs on these cars, it would be greatly
appreciated, BTW.  That would make it MUCH easier for me to put
together some improved physics files, so if you want to pitch in with
some of the research, I'd be glad to turn out the "proper" physics
files.  

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:11:18 +0200, "Chris Bloom"

Thanks John.  I just ordered a copy.

I know it's not GPL, but the graphics and scenery are pretty good.

BTW, do you know if the Donnington track is accurate?

RICK

Regarding Donnington, I can't say for certain, but I recall reading a
post a while back from someone who knew more about historic racing
than I do that the track accuracy was excellent in SoS, and that was
its one truly strong suit.  That was my #1 reason for having an
interest in SoS, prior to finding out about the CTFJ! utility.

Maybe you, me, and MrLipid should consider starting an offline SoS
league, perhaps?  That could add a bit to the game overall.  Let me
know if you're interested -- I'm always up for some casual driving
diversion!  <G>

BTW, I strongly recommend checking out the historic cars for SCGT as
well -- that looks like a lot of fun, and SCGT should run on just
about any system these days.  From a track accuracy standpoint,
though, SCGT just won't be able to compete with SoS -- the Donnington
track in SCGT is the modern version, and there's a WORLD of difference
between it and the historic Donnington in the SoS demo (I prefer the
one in SoS, personally -- more "flavor" to it).

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Yep, that Avus track is a masterpiece of realism <G> :)

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Fair point.

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John --

What do you need to know?
BB

Can you get airborne at Donington (one "n" in the middle, BTW) in SoS,
as the Auto Unions did that year?

BB

In order to check the accuracy of the physics parameters for the
historic SCGT cars (I can't do anything with the physics for SoS), I
would need to know the following for each vehicle:

  height
  length
  width
  weight

Horsepower is also critical, and things like wheelbase and weight
DISTRIBUTION (and even aerodynamic drag) would be good as well, but
the vehicle's basic inertia parameters for yaw, pitch, and roll (i.e.,
the core of the vehicle's "physics" in SCGT) are calculated using
height, length, width, and weight.  Any info beyond that is good, but
those four values (plus horsepower, I guess) are the most important.

-- JB

Donington and Montlehry are not too bad. Tripoli is awful, taking you
through a giant sandstone arch!! And as for Avus, it never had any of
those turns on the straight sections.

- Michael