rec.autos.simulators

by **BendsMaste** » Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:00:00

The other I read something about wiring the CH Pedals to the LWFF, and
I thought It would be a good idea to do it since I had two sets of
pedal underneath my desk. Did it, and the pedals work just fine with
the LWFF. Then I thought I would do the same on my other pc which has
a MSFF, and I have another set of boxed CH Pedals I can't use because
it doesn't work with the MSFF. So I decided to wire the CH PEdals into
the MSFF just the same as I did with the LWFF. And it works! Well to
an extent. Although I can see the pedals in game controllers and even
assign them to any games, the problem is that they behave as if I had
the original MSFF pedals, same precision but the length of the pedals
was very short just the same as the original ones.
Has anyone tried this before? Or does any of you guys know why the
MSFF would recognize the CH Pedals, and they do in fact work but not
as they should.
I thought that the MSFF and the CH Pedals would actually make a very
good combination. The LWFF is the best but the shape of the MSFF is my
preferred one since I have long fingers and the LWFF gives me pain on
my hands after a few hours. So I would really like to be able to get
the MSFF to work wight the CH Pedals.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

by **Liutger Franze** » Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:00:00

did you measure the resistance of both pots? maybe the MSFF cannot deal
with the resistance of the CH pots properly ...

Lio

by **Larr** » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Well, the logitech uses analog pots (right?) and the MSFFW uses digital
encoders (right?)

This probably has something to do with it :)

-Larry

by **Liutger Franze** » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00

sure? no pots? so how could it work in the first place?

Lio

by **Olav K. Malm** » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00

> > Well, the logitech uses analog pots (right?) and the MSFFW uses digital
> > encoders (right?)

> sure? no pots? so how could it work in the first place?

I don't know about the pedals on the MSFF, but the wheel uses optical
measurments to find wheel rotation.

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by **BendsMaste** » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:39:34 +0100, Liutger Franzen
That is a good point, how do you do it though?
I am sure I would have to buy a device which performs that
measurement, can you tell me what is called?

Thanks.

by **Liutger Franze** » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00

> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:39:34 +0100, Liutger Franzen

> That is a good point, how do you do it though?
> I am sure I would have to buy a device which performs that
> measurement, can you tell me what is called?

I use a multimeter (I don't know if it has the same name in english
though - it's called "multimeter" in german ...) for that purpose. the
one I have can be used to measure current and voltage in both ac and dc,
resistance, battery level and diode voltage. I don't know what these
devices cost nowadays, but you should be able to purchase one for about
$50 or maybe less at your local eletronics shop.

Lio

by **BendsMaste** » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00

By what you guys are saying I take it that there isn't anyway round it
this incompatibility. What puzzles me is that I didn't expect it to
work at all. In fact when I first wired it into the MSFF it didn't
work and I was prepared to abandon my attempt. But my brother
suggested changing the wires around on the pots which I tried but told
him before hand it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference.
Having seen that it does work although not correctly made me think
there must be a way round this one.
It's a shame though.
I regret ever buying the MSFF now. It's a case of if you like the
wheel you've got to like the pedals as well because you can't use it
with anything else. And it's not even a case of liking it or not, if
you want precise braking and acceleration, you need better quality
pedals, that means ditching the wheel.
The MSFF has to be branded as far as I am concerned the most
incompatible steering wheel in the market. But there you go, that's
the microsoft we all know anyway.

Cheers.

Mauricio.

>> > Well, the logitech uses analog pots (right?) and the MSFFW uses digital
>> > encoders (right?)

>> sure? no pots? so how could it work in the first place?

>I don't know about the pedals on the MSFF, but the wheel uses optical
>measurments to find wheel rotation.

by **Stephen Warrio** » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00

The MSFF uses optical encoders for the wheel but plain old pots for the
pedals. I can't tell you anything about their electrical specifications
though.

>Well, the logitech uses analog pots (right?) and the MSFFW uses digital
>encoders (right?)

>This probably has something to do with it :)

>-Larry

>> > the MSFF just the same as I did with the LWFF. And it works! Well to
>> > an extent. Although I can see the pedals in game controllers and even
>> > assign them to any games, the problem is that they behave as if I had
>> > the original MSFF pedals, same precision but the length of the pedals
>> > was very short just the same as the original ones.

>> did you measure the resistance of both pots? maybe the MSFF cannot deal
>> with the resistance of the CH pots properly ...

>> Lio

by **Vince Fishe** » Fri, 24 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>The MSFF uses optical encoders for the wheel but plain old pots for the
>pedals. I can't tell you anything about their electrical specifications
>though.

>>Well, the logitech uses analog pots (right?) and the MSFFW uses digital
>>encoders (right?)

>>This probably has something to do with it :)

>>-Larry

>>> > the MSFF just the same as I did with the LWFF. And it works! Well to
>>> > an extent. Although I can see the pedals in game controllers and even
>>> > assign them to any games, the problem is that they behave as if I had
>>> > the original MSFF pedals, same precision but the length of the pedals
>>> > was very short just the same as the original ones.

>>> did you measure the resistance of both pots? maybe the MSFF cannot deal
>>> with the resistance of the CH pots properly ...

>>> Lio

I used to use my digital edge F1 sim pedals with my MSFF wheel directly
connected, I had to use 2 little programs to get win98 to use the full
movement of the pedals (can't right now remember the exact names, if you
want to know which ones I'll try and find out for you.)
Now I use my F1 Sim pedals using a USB to joystick converter, which
gives far better use of the pedals.

Vince

by **Ian Parke** » Fri, 24 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Its not designed to be used with other pedals, so where's the problem ?
If you really want to use other pedals I see no reason why you can't just
put some pots of the same spec as the MS in whatever pedals you have (The MS
Wheel does use analogue pots) Just measure the resistance of the MS pots and
get pots which match, or even use the pots out of the MS pedals.
Alternatively you could use the CH products USB pedals alongside the MS
wheel ( I don't know how many games will let you do this though, GPL does)
(And you'll need Win98)

--
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> By what you guys are saying I take it that there isn't anyway round it
> this incompatibility. What puzzles me is that I didn't expect it to
> work at all. In fact when I first wired it into the MSFF it didn't
> work and I was prepared to abandon my attempt. But my brother
> suggested changing the wires around on the pots which I tried but told
> him before hand it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference.
> Having seen that it does work although not correctly made me think
> there must be a way round this one.
> It's a shame though.
> I regret ever buying the MSFF now. It's a case of if you like the
> wheel you've got to like the pedals as well because you can't use it
> with anything else. And it's not even a case of liking it or not, if
> you want precise braking and acceleration, you need better quality
> pedals, that means ditching the wheel.
> The MSFF has to be branded as far as I am concerned the most
> incompatible steering wheel in the market. But there you go, that's
> the microsoft we all know anyway.

> Cheers.

> Mauricio.

> >> > Well, the logitech uses analog pots (right?) and the MSFFW uses
digital
> >> > encoders (right?)

> >> sure? no pots? so how could it work in the first place?

> >I don't know about the pedals on the MSFF, but the wheel uses optical
> >measurments to find wheel rotation.

by **BendsMaste** » Sun, 26 Dec 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:25:29 +0000, Vince Fisher

>I used to use my digital edge F1 sim pedals with my MSFF wheel directly
>connected, I had to use 2 little programs to get win98 to use the full
>movement of the pedals (can't right now remember the exact names, if you
>want to know which ones I'll try and find out for you.)
>Now I use my F1 Sim pedals using a USB to joystick converter, which
>gives far better use of the pedals.

>Vince

Please let me know what these programs are located, they could be just
the thing I am looking for.

Many thanks.

Mauricio.

by **BendsMaste** » Sun, 26 Dec 1999 04:00:00

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:03:22 GMT, "Ian Parker"

>Its not designed to be used with other pedals, so where's the problem ?
>If you really want to use other pedals I see no reason why you can't just
>put some pots of the same spec as the MS in whatever pedals you have (The MS
>Wheel does use analogue pots) Just measure the resistance of the MS pots and
>get pots which match, or even use the pots out of the MS pedals.
>Alternatively you could use the CH products USB pedals alongside the MS
>wheel ( I don't know how many games will let you do this though, GPL does)
>(And you'll need Win98)

>--
>Ian Parker

>UKGPL League
>http://members.xoom.com/ukgpl/index.html
>http://www.ukgpl.com

That's a an idea. Perhaps I could buy a joystick to usb converter and
hook up the ch pedals to the usb port. That in fact sounds a lot
easier, since the MSFF can be disconnected from the wheel.
thanks for the advice!

Mauricio.

by **BendsMaste** » Sun, 26 Dec 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:50:58 -0000, "Peter Hooper"

>Why do you think the MSFF is the most incompatible wheel on the market..
>Although there have been posts from people who haven't particularly liked
>it, there have been just as many from people (such as myself) who have found
>it to be extremely good. Personally I have found it to be the easiest wheel
>of all those I have tried to set up... never any problems at all.

>Just interested to know what incompatibilities you are referring to.

>Peter Hooper

Well, in my case the fact that I couldn't get it work with the PDPI L4
game card and also the CH Pedals proved to be such a problem that I
went out and bought a LWFF. Prior to that I'd had the MSFF for about a
year and I have to say that I still like the wheel. I was just never
satisfied with the pedals as they don't give me enough precision for
GPL. And yes it is a extremely good product on its own, but if you
want to use different pedals, it becomes a bit of a problem -which in
the end you can get around, anyway.
At the end of the day, it took me quite a few laps to get the feel for
the LWFF, but once that was done I can say for sure that in my case
the LWFF is far better for GPL and I wish I had bought it months ago.

Cheers

Mauricio.

Merry Xmas.

by **Joel Willstei** » Mon, 27 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Me too Peter. My MSFF worked straight out of the box. No problems with
DX7a either. The only thing I would love MS to do is to allow you to set the
FF and return to center in each profile rather than having to go to the
properties screen. I do use different settings for GPL and Nascar 3 as an
example.

Joel Willstein

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