rec.autos.simulators

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm
curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from
the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much
more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes:

1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!)
1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed)
(Aaarrgghhh!)

Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track
exist in '67?)

Here's the link to the site:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~rps/f1/austria/

Andre

by **Ian Hil** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

The ?sterreichring was built in 1969. It was unchanged until 1976 when the
first corner was tightened, then the following year a chicane was added,
largely because of Mark Donohue's fatal accident there.
In case anyone's interested, the turns were named as follows:
First corner was Hella Licht. 2nd corner (top of the hill) was the
Dr. Tiroch Kurve. The next one (long right) was the Boschkurve, then the
two slow left-handers comprised the "Schikane". The following right kink
apparently didn't have a name (at least according to the Guinness Guide
to International Motor Racing). The final corner was the Rindt Kurve
(presumably not named such until after Jochen's accident in 1970).

regards
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by **robswindell** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

It's DEFINATELY not the 1997 version and it's not the 1987 version (last
time the full circuit was used in GP racing, Mansell won after the race
was started 3 times!) because there's no chicane at the first corner in
Dave Noonan's version. I imagine it must be the very first version ever
used. It's a great track, one of the driver's favourite before it was
'butchered'.

Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987
Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

> Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm
> curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from
> the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much
> more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes:

> 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!)
> 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed)
> (Aaarrgghhh!)

> Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track
> exist in '67?)

> Here's the link to the site:
> http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/

> Andre

--
Rob Swindells
"Add life to your days, not days to your life."
"The greatest substitute for talent is hard work."
"Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it."
"I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

by **Kev** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I found this picture (don't know what year it's from)
http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/oster.jpg

Looks pretty much like the current track except that the tight 90 degree
right handers in the current A1 track were sweeping 2nd/3rd gear
corners. Cool.

Kev

> Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm
> curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from
> the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much
> more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes:

> 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!)
> 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed)
> (Aaarrgghhh!)

> Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track
> exist in '67?)

> Here's the link to the site:
> http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/

> Andre

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Did the deer survive? :)

Andre

On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells

>Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987
>Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

by **robswindell** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Hehe, doubt it. :)

> Did the deer survive? :)

> Andre

> On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells

> >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987
> >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

--
Rob Swindells
"Add life to your days, not days to your life."
"The greatest substitute for talent is hard work."
"Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it."
"I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

by **GraDe** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Now GPL is realistic but I doubt Dave has been able to program deer to jump
onto the trak:-)

--
GraDee
-------------------------------------------------------------
Karting "3.65"
www.esatclear.ie/~karting
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"The dozens and dozens........."

> It's DEFINATELY not the 1997 version and it's not the 1987 version (last
> time the full circuit was used in GP racing, Mansell won after the race
> was started 3 times!) because there's no chicane at the first corner in
> Dave Noonan's version. I imagine it must be the very first version ever
> used. It's a great track, one of the driver's favourite before it was
> 'butchered'.

> Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987
> Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

> > Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm
> > curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from
> > the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much
> > more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes:

> > 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!)
> > 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed)
> > (Aaarrgghhh!)

> > Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track
> > exist in '67?)

> > Here's the link to the site:
> > http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/

> > Andre

> --
> Rob Swindells
> "Add life to your days, not days to your life."
> "The greatest substitute for talent is hard work."
> "Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it."
> "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

by **Mark Seer** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

No.
You can say it cost him dearly.......
<Waits for the groans>

MS

> Did the deer survive? :)

> Andre

> On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells

> >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the 1987
> >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

by **Karl Zose** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I still have the pictures of the crash in a magazine:

The deer was in many pieces, and so was the McLaren...

Stefan was happy to be unhurt.

by **Jim Alliso** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Very fawny!

> No.
> You can say it cost him dearly.......
> <Waits for the groans>

> MS

> > Did the deer survive? :)

> > Andre

> > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells

> > >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the
1987
> > >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

by **Rob** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I'll give you a hundred bucks to stop this thread now! Doe kidding.

> Very fawny!

> > No.
> > You can say it cost him dearly.......
> > <Waits for the groans>

> > MS

> > > Did the deer survive? :)

> > > Andre

> > > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells

> > > >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the
> 1987
> > > >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

by **Graeme Nas** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Actually the majority of the damage to the car came after the initial
incident, when his car was out of control and smashed into a wall.
As for the deer, well, I think the majority of the damage came when it
landed a few minutes later! :-))

--
Cheers!
Graeme Nash

by **David Ewin** » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Aw, come on, have a hart.

Dave Ewing

> I'll give you a hundred bucks to stop this thread now! Doe kidding.

> > Very fawny!

> > > No.
> > > You can say it cost him dearly.......
> > > <Waits for the groans>

> > > MS

> > > > Did the deer survive? :)

> > > > Andre

> > > > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:45:24 +0000, robswindells

> > > > >Did you know: Stefan Johansson hit a deer during qualifying for the
> > 1987
> > > > >Austrian GP, destroying his Mclaren.

--
*****************************************************
David A. Ewing

*****************************************************

by **DjFI** » Thu, 03 Feb 2000 04:00:00

That's a cross between 76 and before and with the 77 change. The light grey
line is the actual 69' - 76' layout.

> I found this picture (don't know what year it's from)
> http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/oster.jpg

> Looks pretty much like the current track except that the tight 90 degree
> right handers in the current A1 track were sweeping 2nd/3rd gear
> corners. Cool.

> Kev

> > Since I'm at work, I haven't been able to test the new track yet. I'm
> > curious from what year the track is. I found a site with layouts from
> > the years 1976, 1977 and 1997. As allways, the older tracks looks much
> > more exciting that the newer layouts. Some of the changes:

> > 1977 version - Perimeter 5942 m (A chicane was added) (Yuck!)
> > 1997 version - Perimeter 4319 m (all the fast curves were removed)
> > (Aaarrgghhh!)

> > Haven't found a picture from the 1967 layout (or didn't the track
> > exist in '67?)

> > Here's the link to the site:
> > http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/f1/austria/

> > Andre

by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 03 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Glad they changed the track, that grey layout really looks weird.

Andre

>That's a cross between 76 and before and with the 77 change. The light grey
>line is the actual 69' - 76' layout.

>> I found this picture (don't know what year it's from)
>> http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/oster.jpg

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