rec.autos.simulators

by **Haqsa** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:00:38

More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a
bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good
price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am
in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard
drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do
that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will
work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make
things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it
intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive
the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or
will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system?
Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way?
Anything else I need to know? TIA.

by **Schoone** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:02:08

I wouldn't bother with dual boot. I have yet to find something that will
not run under XP. It also has a compatibility mode to help handle older
titles but to date I only had to use it once.

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:26:26

> More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a
> bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good
> price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am
> in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard
> drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do
> that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will
> work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make
> things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it
> intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive
> the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or
> will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system?
> Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way?
> Anything else I need to know? TIA.

If you're getting a good deal on WinXP with a new HD, it's most likely
because he's allowed to sell you an OEM copy of WinXP when you buy
certain hardware, it's the same CD but don't expect to get a big manual
or anything, it will most likely be just a CD, a leaflet and the serial
no, but hey, that's all you need anyways :-)

As for the tech bit, no, I don't think there's an easy way to set up a
dual boot with your new drive as the primary drive, if you keep the old
HD as the primary drive, there's nothing that keeps you from installing
WinXP to the new drive and booting to XP from that drive, the WinXP
installer will write to the boot record of the old drive and you will
get a menu with the choice to boot to "previous OS" or "Windows XP" when
starting your PC

In fact, WinXP doesn't like to share the HD, or partition actually, with
another OS, it can sit happily on a different partition of the same
physical drive, but if you install XP on the same partition as your
previous OS, it will most likely destroy that Windows installation, I've
read some place why this happens but I've since forgotten it, been there
and done that, so installing them to different HD's is actually the
recommended method

So just let your old drive be your primary drive and install XP on the
new drive when it asks where to install, if you use FAT32 your old
Windows will be able to see the new drive as well, unless you're using
Win2k of course as this also supports NTFS

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:29:39

> I wouldn't bother with dual boot. I have yet to find something that will
> not run under XP. It also has a compatibility mode to help handle older
> titles but to date I only had to use it once.

I have, today actually, a kid's game called "Build boats with Mulle
Mekk" :-), customer couldn't get it to run on his PC, and I tried on
mine as well, complained that it needed at least 3MB of virtual memory
or something :-) oh well.....

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Schoone** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:34:35

Did you try the compatibility mode? I had a kids game have similar issue
and that did it fine for me.

> > I wouldn't bother with dual boot. I have yet to find something that
will
> > not run under XP. It also has a compatibility mode to help handle older
> > titles but to date I only had to use it once.

> I have, today actually, a kid's game called "Build boats with Mulle
> Mekk" :-), customer couldn't get it to run on his PC, and I tried on
> mine as well, complained that it needed at least 3MB of virtual memory
> or something :-) oh well.....

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Glen Pittma** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:27:04

This is the best method probably. It doesn't allow you to remove the old
drive later though if you decide that you are satisfied enough to only have
1 OS. I try not to do this, because your old hard drive is just that, old.
It will fail before the new one hopefully, and you are left with an OS that
you can not boot. You could create a new partition at the beginning of the
new drive, and copy the partition of the old drive over to it, then install
XP in the second one I suppose. That way you can resize the partition later
if you remove the original OS and still have the boot info on the new drive.

You can access both OS by installing the new drive as the primary drive, and
installing XP on it. Then to boot to the old drive, you simply go into the
bios and change the boot sequence to HDD1 instead of HDD0. You don't get
the dual boot menu, but you can boot to the old OS if needed. This is
assuming that your bios has this option. My EPoX 8KHA+ works this way. I
have my wife's PC set up to boot on the new drive, but I have booted to the
old one a few times to export settings and such from her old OS.

On my machine, I have System Commander setup, and boot 2 different Windows
OS's and also Linux 8.2.

Glen

> > More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a
> > bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good
> > price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am
> > in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard
> > drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do
> > that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will
> > work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make
> > things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it
> > intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive
> > the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or
> > will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system?
> > Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way?
> > Anything else I need to know? TIA.

> If you're getting a good deal on WinXP with a new HD, it's most likely
> because he's allowed to sell you an OEM copy of WinXP when you buy
> certain hardware, it's the same CD but don't expect to get a big manual
> or anything, it will most likely be just a CD, a leaflet and the serial
> no, but hey, that's all you need anyways :-)

> As for the tech bit, no, I don't think there's an easy way to set up a
> dual boot with your new drive as the primary drive, if you keep the old
> HD as the primary drive, there's nothing that keeps you from installing
> WinXP to the new drive and booting to XP from that drive, the WinXP
> installer will write to the boot record of the old drive and you will
> get a menu with the choice to boot to "previous OS" or "Windows XP" when
> starting your PC

> In fact, WinXP doesn't like to share the HD, or partition actually, with
> another OS, it can sit happily on a different partition of the same
> physical drive, but if you install XP on the same partition as your
> previous OS, it will most likely destroy that Windows installation, I've
> read some place why this happens but I've since forgotten it, been there
> and done that, so installing them to different HD's is actually the
> recommended method

> So just let your old drive be your primary drive and install XP on the
> new drive when it asks where to install, if you use FAT32 your old
> Windows will be able to see the new drive as well, unless you're using
> Win2k of course as this also supports NTFS

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:31:02

> Did you try the compatibility mode? I had a kids game have similar issue
> and that did it fine for me.

Tried every trick in the book, Win95, Win98, 256 Color mode.....no go,
but that's my first :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:47:21

> You can access both OS by installing the new drive as the primary drive, and
> installing XP on it. Then to boot to the old drive, you simply go into the
> bios and change the boot sequence to HDD1 instead of HDD0. You don't get
> the dual boot menu, but you can boot to the old OS if needed. This is
> assuming that your bios has this option. My EPoX 8KHA+ works this way. I
> have my wife's PC set up to boot on the new drive, but I have booted to the
> old one a few times to export settings and such from her old OS.

Good call, forgot that option, that would be my choice if I really felt
like keeping the old HD and OS I guess

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Haqsa** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:56:05

I believe that can be fixed with an "fdisk /mbr" from a floppy drive. I
had a similar problem with a dual boot Windows/Linux system and I think
that is how I fixed it.

by **Glaspa** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:51:02

I've set up several dual-boot systems and it's surprising easy to do...
I just wiped my Win98SE/Win2K/WinXP triple-boot to go solo with XP.

The tri-boot sounds silly, but if WinXP is running NTFS and goes south,
then Win2K can recover files... which Win98SE can't do.
I should also say that Win2K still seems like the best internet OS.
I'm not very knowledgable in the subject, but out of the three, Win2K
puts up with me downloading files at 225KBs while burning a CD-RW
on an old 733PIII... (good multi-tasking?)

When you set up XP, go for advanced set-up (i believe it's called),
it allows you to select the partition that you want to install it on.
(and I have fixed the mbr after reinstalling Win98SE in a dual-boot)

Or Glen's method sounds pretty good too.
I know my BIOS supports it, but I never even thought of it...
Wtg

One concern for me... my XP install on an AMD has stopped all of it's
bad nature since going with a single OS.
Don't know if it was related to D-B, but it makes me wonder...

Good luck!

by **Don Burnett** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:30:03

> More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a
> bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good
> price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am
> in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard
> drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do
> that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will
> work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make
> things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it
> intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive
> the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or
> will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system?
> Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way?
> Anything else I need to know? TIA.

I think you probably already have all the answers you need, but I will put
in my 2 cents worth.
First, I agree with one of the responses to consider not messing with dual
boot and going with XP all the way. You can run the compatiblity wizard from
the XP CD to help find out if you have any software that might not run on
XP.
Second, if you go the dual boot rout, you will want your current win9x os on
your main system drive. Put the new drive in as slave, and boot up with the
XP cd, and from the new install setup screen you can format and partition
that new slave drive and install XP on it. I would highly recommend using
the NTFS file system.
Lastly, be aware you are getting XP cheaper because it is an OEM version -
that is why he can sell it to you with a piece of hardware. However, any
support for XP will have to come from the vendor you are buying it from, not
from MS. Also, OEM versions once activated are tied to that specific
motherboard/system. Technically, you would not be able to install that
version on another system should you replace yours, or even on a new
motherboard. Disclaimer= Yes, I know there are ways out there around this,
just stating how it is designed to work :).

Personally, if it were me, I would run the compatibility wizard first - you
can even download it from MS if you want to go ahead and run it - and see if
you have any hardware/software that may cause trouble. Be sure and download
XP drivers for your hardware you have if available. If all checks out pretty
good at this point, I would put that new drive in as Master, change the
current drive to Slave, set the bios to boot from the cd, boot with the XP
cd, select new install, and format and partition that new drive and install
XP. Then, from windows, you can go and format and partition that slave drive
however you want it - just be sure and save any important data files first
:).

Hope this helps,

Don Burnette

--
Don Burnette

by **Some Call Me Ti** » Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:40:13

This all sounds like good advice. Once apona time when I only had one pc I
had a quad boot system (5 if you included Dos:-) which got quite confusing.
For my 3 desktop pc's and laptop I'm now using XP Pro which is by far the
best desktop OS yet and so far has been able to run everthing I've tried.

If like me you do need to boot into another OS (it's a work thing for me)
nowadays I use VMware which I think is just fab. You can have a whole OS
running either full screen or in a window within windows! Ceratainly worth a
go and much simpler than having a multi boot system. I put mine on a
removeable drive so I can take a whole OS from work to home which is far
easier than lugging about a whole PC!

Some Call Me Tim

by **Chris H** » Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:14:27

Edit the game's PIF for XMS or EMS allocations. Details are available in
Help and Support by doing a Search for "PIF" without the quotes.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

> > Did you try the compatibility mode? I had a kids game have similar
> > issue
> > and that did it fine for me.

> Tried every trick in the book, Win95, Win98, 256 Color mode.....no go,
> but that's my first :-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Chris H** » Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:16:52

When you do whatever you decide to do, use the Files and Settings Transfer
wizard off the XP CD to pick up all your, um, files (including Outlook
Express' Store) and settings. FAST doesn't do passwords or rules, but
you'll get all the rest of it.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

> I believe that can be fixed with an "fdisk /mbr" from a floppy drive. I
> had a similar problem with a dual boot Windows/Linux system and I think
> that is how I fixed it.

> > This is the best method probably. It doesn't allow you to remove the
> old
> > drive later though if you decide that you are satisfied enough to only
> have
> > 1 OS. I try not to do this, because your old hard drive is just that,
> old.
> > It will fail before the new one hopefully, and you are left with an OS
> that
> > you can not boot. You could create a new partition at the beginning
> of the
> > new drive, and copy the partition of the old drive over to it, then
> install
> > XP in the second one I suppose. That way you can resize the partition
> later
> > if you remove the original OS and still have the boot info on the new
> drive.

by **Peter Ive** » Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:00:03

Thought I might as well add my 2cents. XP is so easy to install dual
boot from, as long as the previous o/s is already installed, as in your
case. Just pop the cd in whilst in your current o/s and select install
and then, when it asks where to install, tell it the new drive.
Everything else will then be done automatically.
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If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :)
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