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OT: XP Dual Boot

Peter Ive

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Peter Ive » Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:02:36



I have this option in my BIOS, but never realised this would work.  Are
they both on the same ide port?  If so, then is there no problem with
the master/slave settings?
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Goy Larse

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Goy Larse » Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:14:59


> Edit the game's PIF for XMS or EMS allocations.  Details are available in
> Help and Support by doing a Search for "PIF" without the quotes.

Ah, ok, so not EVERY trick in the book :-), too late, I gave them
another kid's game instead and they wandered happily off, I might still
try this to see how it works though, thx a bunch

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

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"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
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Larr

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Larr » Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:49:37

Oh, there is TONS of stuff that won't run under XP.  A lot of people need
dual-boot for this very reason.

Larry


> I wouldn't bother with dual boot.  I have yet to find something that will
> not run under XP.  It also has a compatibility mode to help handle older
> titles but to date I only had to use it once.



> > More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a
> > bunch of total strangers.  I found a guy locally who will give me a good
> > price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am
> > in need of a new hard drive anyway.  So I am going to get a new hard
> > drive and put XP Pro on it.  Now I am thinking that if I am going to do
> > that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will
> > work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make
> > things work in XP.  So I will leave the old drive in and leave it
> > intact, no changes.  How do I get this to work?  If I make the new drive
> > the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or
> > will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system?
> > Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way?
> > Anything else I need to know?  TIA.

Larr

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Larr » Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:51:00

If you have the inclination, the TRIOS will take care of this.

It provides true hardware switching between hard drives and is relatively
cheap.

Larry



> > More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a
> > bunch of total strangers.  I found a guy locally who will give me a good
> > price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am
> > in need of a new hard drive anyway.  So I am going to get a new hard
> > drive and put XP Pro on it.  Now I am thinking that if I am going to do
> > that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will
> > work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make
> > things work in XP.  So I will leave the old drive in and leave it
> > intact, no changes.  How do I get this to work?  If I make the new drive
> > the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or
> > will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system?
> > Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way?
> > Anything else I need to know?  TIA.

> If you're getting a good deal on WinXP with a new HD, it's most likely
> because he's allowed to sell you an OEM copy of WinXP when you buy
> certain hardware, it's the same CD but don't expect to get a big manual
> or anything, it will most likely be just a CD, a leaflet and the serial
> no, but hey, that's all you need anyways :-)

> As for the tech bit, no, I don't think there's an easy way to set up a
> dual boot with your new drive as the primary drive, if you keep the old
> HD as the primary drive, there's nothing that keeps you from installing
> WinXP to the new drive and booting to XP from that drive, the WinXP
> installer will write to the boot record of the old drive and you will
> get a menu with the choice to boot to "previous OS" or "Windows XP" when
> starting your PC

> In fact, WinXP doesn't like to share the HD, or partition actually, with
> another OS, it can sit happily on a different partition of the same
> physical drive, but if you install XP on the same partition as your
> previous OS, it will most likely destroy that Windows installation, I've
> read some place why this happens but I've since forgotten it, been there
> and done that, so installing them to different HD's is actually the
> recommended method

> So just let your old drive be your primary drive and install XP on the
> new drive when it asks where to install, if you use FAT32 your old
> Windows will be able to see the new drive as well, unless you're using
> Win2k of course as this also supports NTFS

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

Joe Blo

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Joe Blo » Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:19:40


I have WIN98SE and am considering upgrading to XP. I'm pretty vanilla user
(checkbook program, MS Office, etc.) with th exception of my devotion to
*** sims. I have a Logitech MOMO and Act Labs High Performance pedals.

For me, are there any downsides to upgrading?

Haqsa

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Haqsa » Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:45:34

Does FAST come with the full version?  That sounds like a feature of the
Upgrade version.


> When you do whatever you decide to do, use the Files and Settings
Transfer
> wizard off the XP CD to pick up all your, um, files (including Outlook
> Express' Store) and settings.  FAST doesn't do passwords or rules, but
> you'll get all the rest of it.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone



> > I believe that can be fixed with an "fdisk /mbr" from a floppy
drive.  I
> > had a similar problem with a dual boot Windows/Linux system and I
think
> > that is how I fixed it.



> > > This is the best method probably.  It doesn't allow you to remove
the
> > old
> > > drive later though if you decide that you are satisfied enough to
only
> > have
> > > 1 OS.  I try not to do this, because your old hard drive is just
that,
> > old.
> > > It will fail before the new one hopefully, and you are left with
an OS
> > that
> > > you can not boot.  You could create a new partition at the
beginning
> > of the
> > > new drive, and copy the partition of the old drive over to it,
then
> > install
> > > XP in the second one I suppose.  That way you can resize the
partition
> > later
> > > if you remove the original OS and still have the boot info on the
new
> > drive.

Goy Larse

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Goy Larse » Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:30:30


> Does FAST come with the full version?  That sounds like a feature of the
> Upgrade version.

What I was being told at a MS seminar is that there is no difference
between the two except for the installer in the upgrade version looking
for a previously installed copy of Windows or a Windows CD....

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

Haqsa

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Haqsa » Wed, 01 Jan 2003 02:15:08

Okay thanks.  Next question - at this point, based on all the feedback
here and the fact that my son has had XP Pro for several months and had
zero problems with it, I think I am going to skip the dual boot thing,
but keep the old drive as secondary so that I can pick the data off of
it as I see fit.  Now in that scenario can I still use FAST to pick up
all the settings and the OE store from the old drive?


Goy Larse

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Goy Larse » Wed, 01 Jan 2003 02:20:27


> Okay thanks.  Next question - at this point, based on all the feedback
> here and the fact that my son has had XP Pro for several months and had
> zero problems with it, I think I am going to skip the dual boot thing,
> but keep the old drive as secondary so that I can pick the data off of
> it as I see fit.  Now in that scenario can I still use FAST to pick up
> all the settings and the OE store from the old drive?

My guess would be yes, but I've never actually used it myself so I'd
wait until Larry or Chris or someone else confirms this before making a
decision

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Larr

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Larr » Wed, 01 Jan 2003 13:58:03

You really aren't specific enough.  What VERSIONS of the programs?  What
checkbook program?

Office 97 can be VERY problematic under XP.

Heck, any version of Office can be problematic, but that's beside the point
:)

Oh, and btw... 'Upgrading' is never a good idea.  When making a major OS
change like this, always back up your data, format the drive, and install
the OS fresh.  If you don't, you'll be chasing little (and big) problems
forever.

Larry




> > Oh, there is TONS of stuff that won't run under XP.  A lot of people
need
> > dual-boot for this very reason.

> > Larry

> I have WIN98SE and am considering upgrading to XP. I'm pretty vanilla user
> (checkbook program, MS Office, etc.) with th exception of my devotion to
> *** sims. I have a Logitech MOMO and Act Labs High Performance
pedals.

> For me, are there any downsides to upgrading?

Chris H

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Chris H » Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:19:18

Yes, you sure can.  I'd create a logical partition for your data on the
"old" drive you're going to be using as the secondary, give it a drive
letter like G or something which won't goof up the normal C: of your new
first hard drive Primary partition sequence, plus CD-ROM (etc.) drives.
Then run your Windows XP CD on the existing hard drive, saving the FAST info
to the G:\Storage area.  Once you install the new hard drive, you can add
the second drive back to the system and access/import the FAST information.
There's a pretty good article (with a couple additional links) here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/crawford/novemb...
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


Haqsa

OT: XP Dual Boot

by Haqsa » Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:37:20

Well I think I flummoxed it pretty good.  I decided to go ahead and do it
last night, before I saw this reply.  I put the new drive in as primary and
the old drive as secondary, booted from the XP CD, and everything seemed to
work.  But for some reason XP decided to make the new drive E: and the old
drive C:, and it also picked up the PATH settings from the previous Windows
install, in spite of the fact that I did not boot from that drive or even
ask XP to look at it.  Now with this setup I could not figure out how to get
FAST to do what I wanted since it does not seem to want to transfer between
two drives on one computer, but that was not a major problem since I copied
my IE favorites over and used the OE import wizards to bring my address book
and e-mail folders over.  The only difficult part was that I could not get
OE to import the old mail and news account data so I had to recreate that
manually.  Everything is more or less working now, but I am a bit concerned
about the drive letters.  If I ever decide to take the old drive out and put
it in a different machine (which was part of the long term plan) I think I
am going to hose the XP installation.  Any advice?


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