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Vista license agreement is a joke

Mitch.

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Mitch. » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:59:25

As the article says it's no different than XP.  We (hobbyists) can still
call support and transfer the license.  MS simply clarified the EULA with
Vista (and added virtualization).  Personally I trust the author
P.Thurott(sp?) much more than a ignorant bullshit spreading punk like the
OP.

Quote:
"The Windows XP EULA appears to implicitly allow infinite transfers because
it doesn't explicitly explain how many times one might transfer a single
copy of XP. As it turns out, infinite transfers wasn't the intention. "This
clause was always aimed at very specific circumstances," Microsoft general
manager Shanen Boettcher told me. "Someone has a hardware failure, but still
wants to run that copy of Windows on the new machine, for example."

The problem, of course, was that some people felt they could install a
single copy of Windows as many times as they wanted. "It's always been per
copy, per device," Boettcher said.  And if you do actually have a
catastrophic PC failure, you'll be able to transfer your license just as
before. The process, as it turns out, hasn't changed at all. "The escalation
process is exactly the same in Vista," Boettcher told me. "You have to call
support. It just wasn't clear in Windows XP. But we wanted to do the right
thing by the customer. So we let them move a license, while being clear
about what the license is intended for. In the past haven't been super clear
up front."

When Windows examines changes to the system, the two most heavily weighed
components are the PC's motherboard and hard drive, in that order. If you
change both of these components at one time, Windows will almost certainly
assume it's running in a new computer and cause you to reactivate. "It's
that old question, 'When does a boat become a new boat?," Boettcher asked,
rhetorically. "When every plank has been replaced, is it a new boat?" In the
case of a Windows XP and Vista-based PC, there is an algorithm that examines
hardware changes and, based on an internal score, determines whether a
reactivation is required."

Pretty clear to me but then again it's not 4:20 here in Cali yet...

Mitch




>>> I'ts nice when someone finally cuts right through the "net" bullshit.

>> I don't see what's been clarified in that article.  The entire point
>> seems to be that the author doesn't give a shit about the small segment
>> of the market that is effected in a bad way by the Windows EULA or
>> product activation.  It's less "this isn't true" and more "this doesn't
>> effect me so why do I care".

> I don't think this article is relevant to most of us, but as you say to
> the majority of Windows users who wouldn't know a graphics card from a
> processor let alone open the machine up.

> The article is correct for most users and any general hysteria about Vista
> licensing is unfounded, although for those with the nouse to update their
> hardware on a regular basis it may be a different story...

Garro

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Garro » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:22:19


Email him and tell him what you think of his article, I did. The article is
BS anyway. Here is what the XP Retail EULA says. Where does it say XP is
tied to the first PC it is installed to? It clearly doesn't.

4. TRANSFER-Internal. You may move the Product to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must
completely remove the Product from the former Workstation
Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The initial user of the
Product may make a one-time transfer of the Product to
another end user. The transfer has to include all
component parts, media, printed materials, this EULA, and
if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity. The
transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a
consignment. Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving
the transferred Product must agree to all the EULA terms.
No Rental. You may not rent, lease, lend or provide
commercial hosting services to third parties with the
Product.

Garro

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Garro » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:24:45


> As the article says it's no different than XP.  

Yes it is.

4. TRANSFER-Internal. You may move the Product to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must
completely remove the Product from the former Workstation
Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The initial user of the
Product may make a one-time transfer of the Product to
another end user. The transfer has to include all
component parts, media, printed materials, this EULA, and
if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity. The
transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a
consignment. Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving
the transferred Product must agree to all the EULA terms.
No Rental. You may not rent, lease, lend or provide
commercial hosting services to third parties with the
Product.

Garro

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Garro » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:25:54

 Personally I trust the author

Thurott is a shill you dumb cunt.

Garro

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Garro » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:37:15


> NP, I think only time will tell. From what I got out of the article, the
>   EULA only clarifies but doesn't change what we can do, and I emphasise
>    "can do".

But the XP retail EULA is clearly not worded as that article is suggesting.
It is not a clarification IMO because the XP EULA clearly states I can
transfer my copy of XP retail to another PC. It says nothing about how many
times. Vista EULA says I can only do that once. How can they clarify an
EULA that doesn't even suggest say what they are saying?

I had Winamp install trigger activation on me once. It was either Winamp or
that damned Starforce shite.

Someon

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Someon » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:08:38


> Anyway, this is a side issue. The real issue is WTF does Vista have
> which is worth paying for? Obviously there are always people who must
> have the latest car/furniture/vid card/OS, but unlike previous upgrades
> XP already provides a pretty solid base, and issues like security are
> only issues to people who are careless.

> I'll be interested to see how sales go in the first 12 months.

> Andrew McP

This is the issue for me. The only thing I need Windows for is to play
games. Anything else can be done perfectly well on Linux or even on a Mac.
Since games have pretty much become the same old thing just with different
graphics, I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu and going with that. I never
upgraded to XP because I had 2000 (which was the identical thing except that
certain upgrades were never made available for it), except for the laptop I
bought which came with it. I'm certainly not going for Vista, because I just
don't need it.
Someon

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Someon » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:10:13


and how exactly did they even come up with that figure in the first place? I
expect it was sucked out of the corporate thumb, just like the amount they
supposedly lose through piracy.

raam..

Vista license agreement is a joke

by raam.. » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:46:14



> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Well, that is even more ***from Microsoft. They are saying even retail XP
> is tied to a single device. Why the *** would we buy retail copies of XP
> if it is tied to a single device just like OEM? They are just backtracking
> and trying to confuse the issue.

they changed the agreement, we bought the os when it came out without
really knowing or understanding all the implications of the licence
agreement; then, as it turned out they changed details of the agreement
to further tighten their control over the os- the result was an
increase in piracy, so, with a billion $ invested in vista, ms has not
been too hardball about xp activation lately, because they realize they
need as many people to buy vista when it comes out, activation is the
poision pill you are buying when you buy vista- if they can fool you by
telling you it's no different than the m&m that came with xp, they will
Mitch.

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Mitch. » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:31:45

Personally I trust the author P.Thurott(sp?) much more than a ignorant
bullshit spreading punk like the OP.



> Personally I trust the author
>> P.Thurott(sp?) much more than a ignorant bullshit spreading punk like the
>> OP.

> Thurott is a shill you dumb cunt.

Garro

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Garro » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:39:56


The only license I agreed to is the one that is contained on my pre SP1
retail XP disk so they can shove their changes up their arse's.

Garro

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Garro » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:41:39


> Personally I trust the author P.Thurott(sp?) much more than a ignorant
> bullshit spreading punk like the OP.

As if *anyone* gives a rat's arse what someone who trusts Starforce thinks.
Garro

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Garro » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:59:12


> Personally I trust the author P.Thurott(sp?) much more than a ignorant
> bullshit spreading punk like the OP.

I'll keep posting these until you wake up and smell the coffee. I give the
below site more credibility than a Microsoft shill site anyday.

http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/193300234

Mitch.

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Mitch. » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:37:55

LOL...   Your *proof* first paragraph is an apology for being wrong the
first time and Im supposed to give credibility here?  LOL....  I don't fn
think so junior...

Another layer of tinfoil might help.... Ill bet you could dig up plenty of
proof of UFO's and the grassy knoll and every other liberal ***er
*** theory ever dreamed up..

You are the classic case of BC bud gone wrong!

Mitch



>> Personally I trust the author P.Thurott(sp?) much more than a ignorant
>> bullshit spreading punk like the OP.

> I'll keep posting these until you wake up and smell the coffee. I give the
> below site more credibility than a Microsoft shill site anyday.

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Mitch.

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Mitch. » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:45:31

Ooooooh a tough guy with an authority complex and no sense, what a
combination.  Your mommy must be so proud...

You really shouldn't miss your regularly scheduled medications anymore ok.

Buh-Bye loser!


Garro

Vista license agreement is a joke

by Garro » Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:07:17


> LOL...   Your *proof* first paragraph is an apology for being wrong the
> first time and Im supposed to give credibility here?  LOL....  I don't fn
> think so junior...

At least they admit their mistake and make a correction. Paul's site just
spreads BS about the XP retail license and sticks to it. Then the tosser
follows it up by insulting computer enthusiasts.***him.

Time for another doobie, thanks for reminding me.


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