MadDAWG
Like we care about those pointy cars. The only open wheel cars that matter
have a good old American 410 or 360 V8, and a really big right rear tire. :)
MadDAWG
: > Better not tell them that most of their CART (Reynard / Lola and the
Ford
: > engine made by Cosworth in the lovely Milton Keynes) and IRL chassis (
: > Gforce but not Dallara - who have a UK base ) are made in the UK then
: >
: > God knows what would happen if you told them that some of the IRL cars
ran
: > with Nissan engines. They'd probably die of shame - OR - is it just a
: Nascar
: > thing?
: >
: > Doug
:
:
: Like we care about those pointy cars. The only open wheel cars that
matter
: have a good old American 410 or 360 V8, and a really big right rear tire.
:)
Amazing what you can do with Pig Iron nowadays
Doug
I use Gravity.
It *is* the last one left (if we're talking about racing).
That was the person - NOT the brand of bike. Not the same.
Those are all international series. They do not have a history of
limiting marques to those made within a certain country.
We're talking NASCAR here. They outlawed true competition between
manufacturers in the late 80's, and have been working to completely
eliminate any advantage gained by mechanical or aero means.
No, they'll raise the bar of financial backing, and we'll see G,
Ford, and Dodge ratchet up to meet the foreign expenditures, and this
will result in less money going to the smaller teams, thus
ELIMINATING competition because the smaller teams will not be able to
afford to race anymore.
This has nothing to do with some unreasonable prototype of good old
boys. It just so happens that Alan Kulwicki was my favorite driver
(long before he won the championship), but that has nothing to do
with not wanting foreign cars in cup.
That's always been an international series.
I agree, but Nascar doesn't, but I'm not talking about the level of
competition.
As usual, people who disagree with this opinion always cite
competition, drivers, blah blah blah. I was okay with the japanese
guy that ran a few races, but I knew he'd have a rough time of it
because he spoke virtually no english, but he had english speaking
spotters and crew members - not really much of a sporting chance if
you ask me.
However, a foreign-branded car goes against everything I watch Nascar
for, and as I stated a year or so ago, I wll refuse to watch races or
support the sport when a Toyota (or ANY foreign car for that matter)
is allowed to compete in a Winston Cup race. I won't even continue
to but diecast of the champion car beginning with the year Toyota
starts competing.
I know, big ***in deal - one pissed off redneck refusing to buy one
puny diecast car and refusing to watch any more races. Afterall,
he'll be replaced by ten yuppies willing to spend big bucks on pay-
per-view racing and pointless souvenirs. Let's see... What can we
come up with that's even more stupid than collector fishing lures
with drivers' likenesses on them?
> > I can't figure out this Xnews newsreader yet. I can post a reply via
> > email or start a new thread, but I haven't figured out how to post a
> follow
> > -up to a thread. So my apologies for starting another thread. I'll
> > probably have to do it some more before I even figure out where the
> read-me
> > is.
> > We had a 6 year old design of a Dodge Viper cleanup on brandnew
> > Ferrai's and newer Listers this past year in FIA GT racing.(ok 2k2 spec
> > AFTER the first race). Yes even the extra wide Chevy corvette took on the
> > big Euro types and with FAT American pistons took LeMans, Daytona and the
> > ALMS GTS series.
> > Competiton is good John.
> Agreed - American manufacturers have shown us how it's done in some fields.
> Although to be fair - the single seater market is sewn up as a British
> concern :P
> If Nascar fans dont want any 'outsiders' coming into their sport then my
> opinions of Nascar fans in general has been right all along - and it's not a
> nice opinion either. It's not much of a stretch of the imagination to
> consider it Racism.
> > Interesting, you
> > hammer on John about racism, but seem to have no qualms about holding a
> > stereotypical, bigoted attitude about Nascar fans you imply.
> You dont know what my attitude of Nascar fans is. I imply it's not good -
> but you dont know why or what it is
> Perhaps it's only the most vocal who 'do the damage' w.r.t. the image of
> your average Nascar fan - but people like John Simmons do them NO favours
> and anyone prepared to side with him on such an issue is certainly someone
> who's company I'd avoid - I'm not going to be out and out racist about
> things - I am not a racist person - but like it or loath it there IS a
> stereotype surrounding Nascar fans - and people like John S. do a very good
> job of upholding it.
> Doug
Gee - Nascar fans on TV - I don'
t see them stoprming the track and killing a dozen or so people in
the ensuing melee when theiur favorite driver doesn't do well. Oh
wait, Nascar isn't anything like european soccer fans. Forgive my
protypical statement...
Hypocrite...
So Doug.....a non-football fan as it happens, is a hyprocrite for being
european.
You truly are a master-debater. Nice logic
Ash
: It'sd NOT ***in racism.
You are a lovely chap - you really are.
Doug
:
: > Gee - Nascar fans on TV - I don'
: > t see them stoprming the track and killing a dozen or so people in
: > the ensuing melee when theiur favorite driver doesn't do well. Oh
: > wait, Nascar isn't anything like european soccer fans. Forgive my
: > protypical statement...
: >
: > Hypocrite...
:
: So Doug.....a non-football fan as it happens, is a hyprocrite for being
: european.
:
: You truly are a master-debater. Nice logic
:
: Ash
Ash, you play football - you must be a mass ***er.
I'm British, not European - so I dont think I count.
Doug
> I use Gravity.
> > John was all in a tizzy about Foriegn cars joining Nascar. He felt
it
> > was the last American sport left.
> It *is* the last one left (if we're talking about racing).
> > That never bothered me, I welcome world-wide competiton. Heck we
sent
> > a one-nutted half dead biker over to some French bicycle race and look
what
> > a major job of Whup-Ass he laid on them.
> That was the person - NOT the brand of bike. Not the same.
> > We had a 6 year old design of a Dodge Viper cleanup on brandnew
> > Ferrai's and newer Listers this past year in FIA GT racing.(ok 2k2 spec
> > AFTER the first race). Yes even the extra wide Chevy corvette took on
the
> > big Euro types and with FAT American pistons took LeMans, Daytona and
the
> > ALMS GTS series.
> Those are all international series. They do not have a history of
> limiting marques to those made within a certain country.
> > My feeling is, let them come, they might even kick the Yankee
butt.
> > But they will contribute to better racing and I'm all for that..be it
> > Yellow, Red, Prancings Mules or French WinniethePoohjoes.
> We're talking NASCAR here. They outlawed true competition between
> manufacturers in the late 80's, and have been working to completely
> eliminate any advantage gained by mechanical or aero means.
> > So IF the Japanese come, they'll probably do it like most other
> > incursions, they'll hire a bunch of Yanks and team them with the Asian
> > Engineers and form a winning combination. You can bet if Toyota comes,
> > another brand or two will follow.
> No, they'll raise the bar of financial backing, and we'll see G,
> Ford, and Dodge ratchet up to meet the foreign expenditures, and this
> will result in less money going to the smaller teams, thus
> ELIMINATING competition because the smaller teams will not be able to
> afford to race anymore.
> > I guess since Alan Kulwicki won the Winston Cup title waaaay back
10
> > or 12 years ago, I thought the Southern element of Nascar had gotten
over
> > their fear of outsiders. Heck didn't a guy from Michigan win a race
this
> > year?(For the benefit of the Euro/Asian readers, Michigan is further
north
> > than parts of Canada...ok not MANY parts but some...) :)
> This has nothing to do with some unreasonable prototype of good old
> boys. It just so happens that Alan Kulwicki was my favorite driver
> (long before he won the championship), but that has nothing to do
> with not wanting foreign cars in cup.
> > Would the America's cup be getting any coverage at all if it was
just
> > a club race between a few Brits still?
> That's always been an international series.
> > Competiton is good John.
> I agree, but Nascar doesn't, but I'm not talking about the level of
> competition.
> As usual, people who disagree with this opinion always cite
> competition, drivers, blah blah blah. I was okay with the japanese
> guy that ran a few races, but I knew he'd have a rough time of it
> because he spoke virtually no english, but he had english speaking
> spotters and crew members - not really much of a sporting chance if
> you ask me.
> However, a foreign-branded car goes against everything I watch Nascar
> for, and as I stated a year or so ago, I wll refuse to watch races or
> support the sport when a Toyota (or ANY foreign car for that matter)
> is allowed to compete in a Winston Cup race. I won't even continue
> to but diecast of the champion car beginning with the year Toyota
> starts competing.
> I know, big ***in deal - one pissed off redneck refusing to buy one
> puny diecast car and refusing to watch any more races. Afterall,
> he'll be replaced by ten yuppies willing to spend big bucks on pay-
> per-view racing and pointless souvenirs. Let's see... What can we
> come up with that's even more stupid than collector fishing lures
> with drivers' likenesses on them?
Um... what continent do we live in, then? Just stirring (as if this
thread needed it!)...
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MadDAWG
-Scott Johnson
"The United States of America will not live at the
mercy of any group or regime that has the motive
and seeks the power to *** Americans on a massive
scale." -President GWB 11/8/2002
Even I as a foreigner have a hard time imagining a Hoyasuka as a Stock Car,
even if it technically were. It's like saying an Ibanez Stratocaster copy is
a Stratocaster - it's not, and you can tell by the sound (and because the
Ibanez is technically much better made <g> but lacks the flair of a true
Fender) and how the thing feels in your hands.
It's not like John's trying to exlude aspiring sportsmen from competing with
others based on their nationality or something. A car manufacturer's
decision to participate in a racing series usually isn't made out of
sportsmanly interest, but because they want to sell more cars. I.e., John
most likely isn't excluding sportsmen, but businessmen.
I know you can still see it the other way around, but I can understand
John's desire. It's just a surprise that such a young man as him already has
so romantic feelings about these issues ;-)
How would you feel about a Mercedes S class car John, or about a Bentley?
;-)
Achim
