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P III or Celeron for GPL.....

Andre Perro

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Andre Perro » Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I would like to know if a Celeron 533 can give good performance VS a P III ?
Suppose that i use a Voodoo 2 add-on card for GPL and a Asus TNT 2 for D3d
games.

Thanks
Andre

Han

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Han » Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:00:00

whatever chip you get, get a V3 or better!


>I would like to know if a Celeron 533 can give good performance VS a P III
?
>Suppose that i use a Voodoo 2 add-on card for GPL and a Asus TNT 2 for D3d
>games.

>Thanks
>Andre

Brett C. Camma

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Brett C. Camma » Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:00:00

On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:36:41 -0500, "Andre Perron"


>I would like to know if a Celeron 533 can give good performance VS a P III ?
>Suppose that i use a Voodoo 2 add-on card for GPL and a Asus TNT 2 for D3d
>games.

I'm running GPL on a Celeron 400e clocked to 500 Mhz.  While it has a
more advanced cache, running at a higher speed than the PIII, the 128k
isn't sufficient to keep the core of GPL running in cache, so
performance suffers.  I'd much rather have an equivalent speed PIII
now that I know better.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

Mitch Alatorr

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Mitch Alatorr » Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Bear in mind most >400MHz celerons with Voodoo2 based graphics can max out
GPL.  In the next few months we will see some titles that the celeron will
not give adequate performance.  WSC looks to be one of those titles.  Plan
for the future, not the past :-)

From ZD-Net.

Performance is another point of differentiation. While new Celerons will be
similar in look and feel to some Pentium IIIs, they will not be similar in
performance.

Clock speed-to-clock speed comparisons show the Pentium III 600MHz with a
100MHz bus to be up to 30 percent faster than a 600MHz Celeron on certain
benchmarks, sources said. Even an older Pentium III classic chip running at
600MHz with a 100MHz bus showed even 17 percent faster performance, sources
said. The classic Pentium III is a .25 micron chip with 512KB of off chip
cache.

Mitch


Don Burnett

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Don Burnett » Wed, 01 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I'm running a Celeron 300a clocked at 464 mhz, with a V3 3000 card, and GPL
runs great at 1024x768.

--
Don Burnette
Dburn in N3 and Legends



> On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:36:41 -0500, "Andre Perron"

> >I would like to know if a Celeron 533 can give good performance VS a P
III ?
> >Suppose that i use a Voodoo 2 add-on card for GPL and a Asus TNT 2 for
D3d
> >games.

> I'm running GPL on a Celeron 400e clocked to 500 Mhz.  While it has a
> more advanced cache, running at a higher speed than the PIII, the 128k
> isn't sufficient to keep the core of GPL running in cache, so
> performance suffers.  I'd much rather have an equivalent speed PIII
> now that I know better.

> Regards,
> Brett C. Cammack
> That's Racing! Motorsports
> Pompano Beach, FL

parche

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by parche » Wed, 01 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Andre,
    I did some comparisons when I replaced a Cel300A o'clocked to 450 with a
PIII 450, and for the same detail levels, with a FULL FIELD of AI cars, the
framerates were exactly the same. Its the number of cars around you that
requires the CPU power, but the Celeron seems to have no more trouble than a
PIII (at the same clockrate) The advantage of the PIIIs is overclockability,
with a PIII 450 running at 558 and my new PIII 550E running happily at 710
(limited by the PC100 ram!).
    Overall I think your best investment would be a Cel500 or 533 and spend
the extra money on a V3. Just my 2 Pacific Peso's worth.
                        Phillip..

S??bastien Tixie

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by S??bastien Tixie » Wed, 01 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Hi!

I'm suprised nobody mention the AMD Athlon.

Okey the subject was Celeron (x)or PIII, but ...

An Athlon 500 ( $250 ) is 1.5 times faster than a PIII 500 !
For the motherboard take an Asus K7M ( $200 )
Put on this a TNT2 Ultra ( $150 ) .

GPL 1.2 , OpenGl Beta 2, Force Feedback device. and you get
constant 36fps ( 30fps at monza start from last position ).
you get 32bit ( yes you can force 32bit in OpenGL settings ), you get
trilinear filtering.
you get 1024x768 !

regards,

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Jalo

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Jalo » Wed, 01 Mar 2000 04:00:00

If you want the best GPL performance, buy an Athlon with a Voodoo3 (any
model of both are more than fast enough for GPL).


Brett C. Camma

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Brett C. Camma » Wed, 01 Mar 2000 04:00:00

And I'm using a Voodoo2 1000 PCI, so that probably accounts for
something also.  I'm beginning to suspect that I'm going to own this
particular mb for less time than any other I've ever owned...

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

Kirk Lan

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Kirk Lan » Wed, 01 Mar 2000 04:00:00

What bus/multiplier you using for 710???

I don't know that much about PIIIs, but when comparing PII to Celery, they
perform almost identical, it just is a factor of clock rate.  I have a

for CPU performance for clock rate, they come up extremely close.  I imagine
if I could get them both running at the exact same speed almost nobody could
tell the difference...

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> Andre,
>     I did some comparisons when I replaced a Cel300A o'clocked to 450 with
a
> PIII 450, and for the same detail levels, with a FULL FIELD of AI cars,
the
> framerates were exactly the same. Its the number of cars around you that
> requires the CPU power, but the Celeron seems to have no more trouble than
a
> PIII (at the same clockrate) The advantage of the PIIIs is
overclockability,
> with a PIII 450 running at 558 and my new PIII 550E running happily at 710
> (limited by the PC100 ram!).
>     Overall I think your best investment would be a Cel500 or 533 and
spend
> the extra money on a V3. Just my 2 Pacific Peso's worth.
>                         Phillip..


> > I would like to know if a Celeron 533 can give good performance VS a P
III
> ?
> > Suppose that i use a Voodoo 2 add-on card for GPL and a Asus TNT 2 for
D3d
> > games.

> > Thanks
> > Andre

Joe Marque

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Joe Marque » Thu, 02 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I love the AMD zealots and wishful thinking.  Is this finally the year AMD
has respectable FPU capability?  Now it's not only respectable but 1.5 times
faster that the equivalent PIII?  Dream on.

--
Joe Marques


> Hi!

> I'm suprised nobody mention the AMD Athlon.

> Okey the subject was Celeron (x)or PIII, but ...

> An Athlon 500 ( $250 ) is 1.5 times faster than a PIII 500 !
> For the motherboard take an Asus K7M ( $200 )
> Put on this a TNT2 Ultra ( $150 ) .

> GPL 1.2 , OpenGl Beta 2, Force Feedback device. and you get
> constant 36fps ( 30fps at monza start from last position ).
> you get 32bit ( yes you can force 32bit in OpenGL settings ), you get
> trilinear filtering.
> you get 1024x768 !

> regards,

> --
> ====================================================================
> Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer

> Personal web site : http://www.multimania.com/hclyon
> Company web site  : http://www.eden-studios.fr
> Games Developped by Eden Studios :
> V-Rally 2 PSX/PC/DC  : http://www.vrally.com
> Need for Speed 5 PSX : http://www.needforspeed.com/porsche/index.htm
> ====================================================================

Andrew Busc

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Andrew Busc » Thu, 02 Mar 2000 04:00:00


> What bus/multiplier you using for 710???

> I don't know that much about PIIIs, but when comparing PII to Celery, they
> perform almost identical, it just is a factor of clock rate.  I have a

> for CPU performance for clock rate, they come up extremely close.  I imagine
> if I could get them both running at the exact same speed almost nobody could
> tell the difference...

The major difference between the Celeron and PII/PIII processors is the
cache size.  The initial Celerons had very little, and the latest ones
still only have 128k, I believe.  And you are correct - this won't show up
in benchmarks, or indeed many applications, simply because benchmark
programs are almost always small enough to fit entirely in what limited
cache the celeron has, and so program loading and readahead isn't a huge
bottleneck.  For programs with many execution branches, where readahead
and cache size *is* a serious bottleneck, the PII's/PIII's will perform
significantly better.  Some games fall into this category, some don't, so
and since I neither know much about games programming, nor have done any
myself, I won't comment.

However, for the work I do here, which involves high complexity
algorithms, our PIII's blow our lone Celeron (which we bought simply to
test) right away - two identical (in other aspect) machines both running
at 550MHz, the PIII is about 35-50% fast than the Celeron in a lot of our
applications.

Of course, in most sims, graphics performance is the biggest bottleneck
anyway, so this discussion is probably pointless ;)

Andrew

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S??bastien Tixie

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by S??bastien Tixie » Thu, 02 Mar 2000 04:00:00



No ! Wake up !

At equal frequency the AMD is a lot faster than the PIII.

Tested on 3DSMax 2.5 ( Shiva  ) !

Let my find thos graphs ....

well i can't post graphs so here is the test

rendering MAX2RAYS.MAX the hardest scene for CPU/FPU !
all the test are with 64mo RAM SDRAM 100 under WIN98

in seconds

Athlon 500      04:44
Celeron 500   06:32
PIII 500            06:43
AMD K6 450  12:55
Pent. 233        18:30

A friend of mine have made these tests, and he as no stock option of AMD Co.
! :o)

Ric

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Ric » Thu, 02 Mar 2000 04:00:00

the initial celerons had a zero k cache.
http://come.to/rs-shifter

Jalo

P III or Celeron for GPL.....

by Jalo » Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I am a big supporter of the AMD Athlon processor, (I also have one, and have
had a PIII), but the Athlon is not 1.5 times faster at GPL. However, the
Athlon is faster at GPL than a PIII. GPL is all about floating point
calculations, and the floating point unit on the Athlon is faster than a
PIII.
I really don't get into benchmarking programs, because they can be made to
make a Cyrix chip look as fast as a PIII.


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