Schumacher
> I have herd some complaints about the 911s not oversteering in Sports Car
> GT, but it just happeneds to be that if u guys would know anything about
> Eropean cars, you would know that Porsche as always been designing it's cars
> so that they are virtually impossible to oversteer. I know that cause here
> in Europe 911s are not a rare sight, u'll see about 3 a day, and I thinking
> of getting one. Before u start saying how fake a game is cause the cars
> don't handle how they are supposed to be, maybe it'd better if u actually
> knew something about the cars.
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the most famous form of oversteer in the world has to be 911 power off
oversteer. :)))
Z.
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You are obviously not a physics genious.
KSB
Perhaps it would be better if "u" thought a little bit before spouting
off. Porsche has been refining the 911 since its inception to try to tame
the inherent oversteer of the chassis. They are pretty much there with
the latest generation, partly as a result of suspension design, partly
because the layout is tending more towards mid-engine than rear engine. I
live in Europe at the moment. I see a lot of 911s. It doesn't
necessarily mean I know about them. However, I am a mechanical engineer
with a keen interest, perhaps passion, for 911s of all ages. An early 911
will snap-oversteer in a second if the driver is not precise. A mid-80's
911 will oversteer on trailing throttle without a moment's hesitation. A
Carrera 4 is neutral, due to the AWD, until provoked with the throttle, at
which point it will also oversteer. At their limit all 911s can easily be
induced to oversteer. Porsche has not made it "impossible" to oversteer
in a 911.
I'm glad you are thinking of buying a 911. I imagine Matchbox has a fine
assortment of colours for you to choose from, Schumi.
Stephen
Schumacher
> > I have herd some complaints about the 911s not oversteering in Sports
Car
> > GT, but it just happeneds to be that if u guys would know anything about
> > Eropean cars, you would know that Porsche as always been designing it's
> cars
> > so that they are virtually impossible to oversteer. I know that cause
here
> > in Europe 911s are not a rare sight, u'll see about 3 a day, and I
> thinking
> > of getting one. Before u start saying how fake a game is cause the cars
> > don't handle how they are supposed to be, maybe it'd better if u
actually
> > knew something about the cars.
> You are obviously not a physics genious.
> KSB
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Olav K. Malmin
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Schumacher
> Perhaps it would be better if "u" thought a little bit before spouting
> off. Porsche has been refining the 911 since its inception to try to tame
> the inherent oversteer of the chassis. They are pretty much there with
> the latest generation, partly as a result of suspension design, partly
> because the layout is tending more towards mid-engine than rear engine. I
> live in Europe at the moment. I see a lot of 911s. It doesn't
> necessarily mean I know about them. However, I am a mechanical engineer
> with a keen interest, perhaps passion, for 911s of all ages. An early 911
> will snap-oversteer in a second if the driver is not precise. A mid-80's
> 911 will oversteer on trailing throttle without a moment's hesitation. A
> Carrera 4 is neutral, due to the AWD, until provoked with the throttle, at
> which point it will also oversteer. At their limit all 911s can easily be
> induced to oversteer. Porsche has not made it "impossible" to oversteer
> in a 911.
> I'm glad you are thinking of buying a 911. I imagine Matchbox has a fine
> assortment of colours for you to choose from, Schumi.
> Stephen
martin
> > I have herd some complaints about the 911s not oversteering in Sports
Car
> > GT, but it just happeneds to be that if u guys would know anything about
> > Eropean cars, you would know that Porsche as always been designing it's
cars
> > so that they are virtually impossible to oversteer. I know that cause
here
> > in Europe 911s are not a rare sight, u'll see about 3 a day, and I
thinking
> > of getting one. Before u start saying how fake a game is cause the cars
> > don't handle how they are supposed to be, maybe it'd better if u
actually
> > knew something about the cars.
> I have no idea if a race modified 911 has a lot of oversteer, but let me
> assure you, that any 911 up to the latest version, WILL sooner or later
> show you why most cars don't have the engines mounted in the rear, at
> least if you drive it the way sports cars should be driven, there are
> certain laws of physics that apply, that no amount of German hi-tech
> engineering can eliminate
> --
> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
Why wouldn't a 60's open wheel racecar oversteer? They were built to be a
little over-responsive and the tire, suspension, everything were primitive
compared to today's cars. Not to start an argument, but I think that 60s open
wheelers did oversteer a lot. Take a look at any 1960's race footage, you'll
see a lot of*** the back end out in the turns. You don't see that today
at all in sports car racing pretty much, because they've taken measures to
reduce that oversteer to almost inexistant.
Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited
I usually turn it to On Board when nothing serius is happenning (ie: at the
beginning of the Qualif, etc ...) and chose Original Audio, I can tell you,
F1 cars are 'always' oversteering ...
btw: someone interested in the Hakkinen crash at hockenheim On Board, with
Ambient Sound ? ;) I will 'MPEG' it
McKafre De La Rosa
mid-enginerd
: McLaren F1s
mid-engined
: CLK-GTRs?
mid-engined
: attacking corners? I hardly ever see F1 cars oversteering, they spin out
: quite often but when u have 800+ bhp it's not hard to spin out in 1,2 or
mid-engined, and entirely dependent on aerodynamic balance. Same with
CART. A few twists of the wings, and you have understeer. A few the
other way and you have oversteer.
When you finally get through high-school, maybe put your nose into a few
physics books, find out what a polar moment of inertia is, then come back
and discuss this topic. For now, your dependence on whatever you read in
the latest newsstand magazine is showing worse than the shiny ass on a
five year old suit.
Stephen
You think racing 911s have the PSM left in? PSM, traction control, ESP,
whatever you want to call the various systems from BMW, Mercedes, Porsche
or Chevrolet (Corvette), they are all there to keep people from getting
into trouble in everyday driving. Guess what? They all have an off
switch. Guess which position that switch is in when it's time for
spirited driving. It is hardly "german high-tech genius" to use a simple
combination of selective braking and traction control to alter the
handling characteristics of a car. Everyone is doing it now in the
industry.
: You guys are so ignorant it is hard to believe.
And you are a troll with an outrageously large ego.
Stephen
<ranting snipped>
LOL!
Charlie (not to be confused with the other) Schumacher
Canadian. Living in Switzerland. No interest in professional football.
Porsches that I have driven include a late 60's 912, mid-70's Carrera,
mid-80's turbo and a Boxster. Understeer to neutral on corner entry with
a careful foot on the throttle, oversteer if you lifted, and don't even
think of braking. If they've tamed this with the '99 and its lovely
electronics, then that's a step forward for public road safety, but it's
taken away the one thing I enjoyed about the 911.
As for your last point, I can't imagine a car oversteering any other way
but "rearly". I imagine your 528 understeers "frontly".
Have a nice day
Stephen
