rec.autos.simulators

I have a Qual setup for Atlanta that allows me to run a 28.4 and
sometime even a few hundredths faster (apx 28.38).  Again, I am not
using driving aids.  If you look at the setup it has some very drastic
settings, the most notable is that all the weight is shifted to the
rear.  Is this what is considered an "unreal" setup and a cheat
(again, can be driven w/o aids)?  Or is this a fair setup?

In my way of thinking since the game will let you make these
adjustments and the car can be driven w/o aids that it is fair play,
but I have seen some talk on papy boards about unreal setups and
cheating and just wondered if this is something they would consider
unfair or a cheat.

Brian

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

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MT

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Don Wilshe.... my qual time 38.250 ... i dont think anyone will have
problem with your time...

I think the user community realizes by now that stability control and
traction control do in fact slow you down.. well they do me by at
least 1 mph.   But what they seem most upset is Steering Assist even
though TSW tells you to run at least 20% SA because of the
NASCAR 2003 game..

I run the 1650 forward weight as well.  Sure helps the car turn
and it also saves tire wear... Now the fast people that I run with
and that would be XFM and SEBRING have no complaints
about anything in the game that you use as its part of it.  But
those that are typically 3 ro 4 mph slower complain bitterly so
any that is slower than you will call you all sort of names.  I always
wondered why these guys that accuse people of using any part
of the game. always uses it as an excuse for there performance when
they could simply use the same tools...

 Is this what is considered an "unreal" setup and a cheat

It might be called UNREAL.  Some would consider it
unfair.   I would consider it FAIR, but I dont care what
people race me with as i dont get passed..lol.

Let me make it simple.  the fast guys agree and the slow guys dont
consider it fair.   But my experience is slow guys will always be
slow and fast guys will be fast..   Most fast guys can run faster
with the FAST setup than slow guys in OPEN setups..

If you win here you run the risk of being called a cheater.  You arent
we know that.   Just have fun and when the patch comes well see
what we have...

DW

I drive outside the car.  I don't consider that cheating so if I'm running open setups, I'm gonna get blasted just like anyone using
driving aids.  If the game allows bastardizing open setup racing with driving aids, funky setups, etc. then the issue should be with
Papy, not the driver.

Some say the patch will clean a lot of this up ... we'll see.

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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

You know, you said just the opposite early on lol.  So I went out and turned some of my best laps at Bristol, Las Vegas, with
stability on to see what the hoopla was.  I quit racing online not long after that because of it.

Stability control does Not slow you down, and it does improve tire wear.  Hell, Papy said as much in the patch press release.

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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

Remember, it's only a *game*.

Bruce.

and the grand canyon is just a hole in the ground in Arizona :)
Dan

Bruce.

This is probably the oldest debate in simracing. Seeing as any model used to
simulate a car wil, out of nescessity, be a simplification, there will
allways be gray areas to explore using "abnormal" settings in the game.

I don't think anyone using these types of setting should be labeled a
cheater. If you can find immersion using these settings and keep them
poiting in the right direction, more power to you.

Use of these types of settings is one of the defining characteristics of a
hotlapper, a term you might find equally offensive.

Jan.
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In an ideal world everyone would own up to their settings (including
maybe internal/external views) so winners in the various classes could
be sorted out, but maybe that's expecting a bit much :-)

Andrew McP

..and cheaters will always be cheaters...