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N4 Tally speeds

Zulca

N4 Tally speeds

by Zulca » Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:50:32

I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away, Why?
Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would be a joke, any
logical explanations?
Dave Henri

N4 Tally speeds

by Dave Henri » Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:33:40

  could be several things.  first controllers.  Make sure they are
calibrated properly in windows and N4.
2nd..setup.  Add tape...approximentally 60 to 70%, even more for short
pickup races.
3rd.. setup..download other racer's setups to see if that helps.
4th...get going smoothly and quickly...if the pack pulls away from you a the
start, you will lose the draft.  And then it's "sayonara baby."
5th check a joystick calibration program to add a tiny deadzone on your
brake pedal.  Your controller may be dragging the brake even when your foot
is completely off the pedal. (an easy way to check this is to run a racing
game that shows brakelights like SCGT or Toca or the need for speed
efforts...if you see the brake lights lit up even when you are accelerating,
you have a controller problem.)(increasing the deadzone will fix it.)
good luck.
dave henrie


Gerald Moo

N4 Tally speeds

by Gerald Moo » Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:02:18

There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what springs to mind:

- make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran a race once
and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out, there was
some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from getting full
throttle.

You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default setups at
70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely contenders:

- too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible to get up to
speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it easier to lose
the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

- not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull out of the
draft and pass, especially without another car helping you.

- losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you: if you are
driving around without at least one partner, you are toast.

- excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel, it scrubs
off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting" you will bleed
off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as smooth as
possible.

- never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to lift to make
your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.  The AI cars
generally take the preferred line.

HTH,
Gerald Moore


> I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away, Why?
> Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would be a joke, any
> logical explanations?

SimRace

N4 Tally speeds

by SimRace » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:43:00


can't be getting a full range on your accelerator pedal.

If the wheel is new, make sure it is calibrated properly, in Windoze and N4.
Look at the numbers for your brake pedal (In N4 calibration), are the gas
pedal's numbers remotely close, especially on the high end? If not therein
is your problem.

If the wheel is old, i would suspect a bad pot.

If not, I'd return it for a working unit.


> There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what springs to mind:

> - make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran a race once
> and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out, there was
> some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from getting full
> throttle.

> You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default setups at
> 70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely contenders:

> - too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible to get up to
> speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it easier to lose
> the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

> - not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull out of the
> draft and pass, especially without another car helping you.

> - losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you: if you are
> driving around without at least one partner, you are toast.

> - excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel, it scrubs
> off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting" you will bleed
> off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as smooth as
> possible.

> - never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to lift to make
> your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.  The AI cars
> generally take the preferred line.

> HTH,
> Gerald Moore




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Zulca

N4 Tally speeds

by Zulca » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:44:09

what speeds should I be running there as a benchmark?



You
> can't be getting a full range on your accelerator pedal.

> If the wheel is new, make sure it is calibrated properly, in Windoze and
N4.
> Look at the numbers for your brake pedal (In N4 calibration), are the gas
> pedal's numbers remotely close, especially on the high end? If not therein
> is your problem.

> If the wheel is old, i would suspect a bad pot.

> If not, I'd return it for a working unit.



> > There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what springs to mind:

> > - make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran a race once
> > and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out, there was
> > some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from getting full
> > throttle.

> > You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default setups at
> > 70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely contenders:

> > - too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible to get up to
> > speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it easier to lose
> > the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

> > - not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull out of the
> > draft and pass, especially without another car helping you.

> > - losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you: if you are
> > driving around without at least one partner, you are toast.

> > - excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel, it scrubs
> > off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting" you will bleed
> > off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as smooth as
> > possible.

> > - never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to lift to make
> > your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.  The AI cars
> > generally take the preferred line.

> > HTH,
> > Gerald Moore



> > > I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away, Why?
> > > Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would be a joke, any
> > > logical explanations?

T-..

N4 Tally speeds

by T-.. » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:30:13

You should be able to run 185 - 186 without the benefit of a draft, 192 -
194 or more in a draft.  Don't forget, track temperature affects top speeds
too.  The cooler it is, the less dense the atmosphere, and the higher the
speeds.

Check out our web site for set ups - www.torn8oalley.com

T-Man #66


> what speeds should I be running there as a benchmark?




> You
> > can't be getting a full range on your accelerator pedal.

> > If the wheel is new, make sure it is calibrated properly, in Windoze and
> N4.
> > Look at the numbers for your brake pedal (In N4 calibration), are the
gas
> > pedal's numbers remotely close, especially on the high end? If not
therein
> > is your problem.

> > If the wheel is old, i would suspect a bad pot.

> > If not, I'd return it for a working unit.



> > > There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what springs to mind:

> > > - make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran a race once
> > > and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out, there was
> > > some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from getting full
> > > throttle.

> > > You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default setups at
> > > 70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely contenders:

> > > - too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible to get up to
> > > speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it easier to lose
> > > the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

> > > - not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull out of the
> > > draft and pass, especially without another car helping you.

> > > - losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you: if you are
> > > driving around without at least one partner, you are toast.

> > > - excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel, it scrubs
> > > off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting" you will bleed
> > > off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as smooth as
> > > possible.

> > > - never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to lift to make
> > > your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.  The AI cars
> > > generally take the preferred line.

> > > HTH,
> > > Gerald Moore



> > > > I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away, Why?
> > > > Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would be a joke,
any
> > > > logical explanations?

Scott Lyma

N4 Tally speeds

by Scott Lyma » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:25:35

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the cooler air make for a denser
atmosphere, so more air is getting to the motor and creating more power?
This is the same principle as why old cars with carbs are supposed to run
smaller jets in the mountains so they don't flood the motor with the thin
air.
--
Scott Lyman
Mechanical Engineering Student
Michigan Technological University


> You should be able to run 185 - 186 without the benefit of a draft, 192 -
> 194 or more in a draft.  Don't forget, track temperature affects top
speeds
> too.  The cooler it is, the less dense the atmosphere, and the higher the
> speeds.

> Check out our web site for set ups - www.torn8oalley.com

> T-Man #66



> > what speeds should I be running there as a benchmark?




70%.
> > You
> > > can't be getting a full range on your accelerator pedal.

> > > If the wheel is new, make sure it is calibrated properly, in Windoze
and
> > N4.
> > > Look at the numbers for your brake pedal (In N4 calibration), are the
> gas
> > > pedal's numbers remotely close, especially on the high end? If not
> therein
> > > is your problem.

> > > If the wheel is old, i would suspect a bad pot.

> > > If not, I'd return it for a working unit.



> > > > There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what springs to
mind:

> > > > - make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran a race
once
> > > > and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out, there was
> > > > some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from getting
full
> > > > throttle.

> > > > You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default setups at
> > > > 70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely contenders:

> > > > - too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible to get up
to
> > > > speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it easier to
lose
> > > > the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

> > > > - not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull out of the
> > > > draft and pass, especially without another car helping you.

> > > > - losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you: if you
are
> > > > driving around without at least one partner, you are toast.

> > > > - excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel, it scrubs
> > > > off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting" you will
bleed
> > > > off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as smooth as
> > > > possible.

> > > > - never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to lift to
make
> > > > your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.  The AI
cars
> > > > generally take the preferred line.

> > > > HTH,
> > > > Gerald Moore



> > > > > I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away, Why?
> > > > > Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would be a joke,
> any
> > > > > logical explanations?

T-..

N4 Tally speeds

by T-.. » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:41:46

Hey Scott:  I defer to you.  In fact, the more I think about it, I am
definitely wrong.  But, I think we can agree that the the cooler the track,
the higher the average lap speeds are. Witness the difference at the
superspeedways when the track temp is at its lowest vs. the higher temps.

Thanks again for the correction.

T-Man#66


> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the cooler air make for a denser
> atmosphere, so more air is getting to the motor and creating more power?
> This is the same principle as why old cars with carbs are supposed to run
> smaller jets in the mountains so they don't flood the motor with the thin
> air.
> --
> Scott Lyman
> Mechanical Engineering Student
> Michigan Technological University



> > You should be able to run 185 - 186 without the benefit of a draft,
192 -
> > 194 or more in a draft.  Don't forget, track temperature affects top
> speeds
> > too.  The cooler it is, the less dense the atmosphere, and the higher
the
> > speeds.

> > Check out our web site for set ups - www.torn8oalley.com

> > T-Man #66



> > > what speeds should I be running there as a benchmark?




> 70%.
> > > You
> > > > can't be getting a full range on your accelerator pedal.

> > > > If the wheel is new, make sure it is calibrated properly, in Windoze
> and
> > > N4.
> > > > Look at the numbers for your brake pedal (In N4 calibration), are
the
> > gas
> > > > pedal's numbers remotely close, especially on the high end? If not
> > therein
> > > > is your problem.

> > > > If the wheel is old, i would suspect a bad pot.

> > > > If not, I'd return it for a working unit.



> > > > > There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what springs to
> mind:

> > > > > - make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran a race
> once
> > > > > and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out, there was
> > > > > some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from getting
> full
> > > > > throttle.

> > > > > You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default setups at
> > > > > 70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely contenders:

> > > > > - too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible to get up
> to
> > > > > speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it easier to
> lose
> > > > > the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

> > > > > - not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull out of
the
> > > > > draft and pass, especially without another car helping you.

> > > > > - losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you: if you
> are
> > > > > driving around without at least one partner, you are toast.

> > > > > - excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel, it
scrubs
> > > > > off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting" you will
> bleed
> > > > > off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as smooth
as
> > > > > possible.

> > > > > - never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to lift to
> make
> > > > > your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.  The AI
> cars
> > > > > generally take the preferred line.

> > > > > HTH,
> > > > > Gerald Moore



> > > > > > I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away, Why?
> > > > > > Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would be a
joke,
> > any
> > > > > > logical explanations?

Thom j

N4 Tally speeds

by Thom j » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:44:24

Yep T-Man #66, thats about right!! :)

| You should be able to run 185 - 186 without the benefit of a draft, 192 -
| 194 or more in a draft.  Don't forget, track temperature affects top
speeds
| too.  The cooler it is, the less dense the atmosphere, and the higher the
| speeds.
|
| Check out our web site for set ups - www.torn8oalley.com
|
| T-Man #66

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Scott Lyma

N4 Tally speeds

by Scott Lyma » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:31:27

Agreed.  Too bad you had to try and sound smart by throwing that density
stuff in the middle, eh?
--
Scott Lyman
Mechanical Engineering Student
Michigan Technological University


> Hey Scott:  I defer to you.  In fact, the more I think about it, I am
> definitely wrong.  But, I think we can agree that the the cooler the
track,
> the higher the average lap speeds are. Witness the difference at the
> superspeedways when the track temp is at its lowest vs. the higher temps.

> Thanks again for the correction.

> T-Man#66



> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the cooler air make for a denser
> > atmosphere, so more air is getting to the motor and creating more power?
> > This is the same principle as why old cars with carbs are supposed to
run
> > smaller jets in the mountains so they don't flood the motor with the
thin
> > air.
> > --
> > Scott Lyman
> > Mechanical Engineering Student
> > Michigan Technological University



> > > You should be able to run 185 - 186 without the benefit of a draft,
> 192 -
> > > 194 or more in a draft.  Don't forget, track temperature affects top
> > speeds
> > > too.  The cooler it is, the less dense the atmosphere, and the higher
> the
> > > speeds.

> > > Check out our web site for set ups - www.torn8oalley.com

> > > T-Man #66



> > > > what speeds should I be running there as a benchmark?




> > 70%.
> > > > You
> > > > > can't be getting a full range on your accelerator pedal.

> > > > > If the wheel is new, make sure it is calibrated properly, in
Windoze
> > and
> > > > N4.
> > > > > Look at the numbers for your brake pedal (In N4 calibration), are
> the
> > > gas
> > > > > pedal's numbers remotely close, especially on the high end? If not
> > > therein
> > > > > is your problem.

> > > > > If the wheel is old, i would suspect a bad pot.

> > > > > If not, I'd return it for a working unit.



> > > > > > There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what springs to
> > mind:

> > > > > > - make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran a
race
> > once
> > > > > > and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out, there
was
> > > > > > some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from getting
> > full
> > > > > > throttle.

> > > > > > You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default setups
at
> > > > > > 70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely contenders:

> > > > > > - too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible to get
up
> > to
> > > > > > speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it easier
to
> > lose
> > > > > > the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

> > > > > > - not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull out of
> the
> > > > > > draft and pass, especially without another car helping you.

> > > > > > - losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you: if
you
> > are
> > > > > > driving around without at least one partner, you are toast.

> > > > > > - excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel, it
> scrubs
> > > > > > off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting" you will
> > bleed
> > > > > > off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as smooth
> as
> > > > > > possible.

> > > > > > - never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to lift
to
> > make
> > > > > > your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.  The
AI
> > cars
> > > > > > generally take the preferred line.

> > > > > > HTH,
> > > > > > Gerald Moore



> > > > > > > I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away, Why?
> > > > > > > Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would be a
> joke,
> > > any
> > > > > > > logical explanations?

T-..

N4 Tally speeds

by T-.. » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:53:24

I'm sorry?  Was only trying to help out.  Certainly i am open to being
corrected when I am wrong.  Wasn't trying to sound smart,  and I apologize
to anyone who thought otherwise.  Did not intend to give anyone the
impression that I am all knowing.  Heck, I'll be the first to admit that.

T-Man #66


> Agreed.  Too bad you had to try and sound smart by throwing that density
> stuff in the middle, eh?
> --
> Scott Lyman
> Mechanical Engineering Student
> Michigan Technological University



> > Hey Scott:  I defer to you.  In fact, the more I think about it, I am
> > definitely wrong.  But, I think we can agree that the the cooler the
> track,
> > the higher the average lap speeds are. Witness the difference at the
> > superspeedways when the track temp is at its lowest vs. the higher
temps.

> > Thanks again for the correction.

> > T-Man#66



> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the cooler air make for a denser
> > > atmosphere, so more air is getting to the motor and creating more
power?
> > > This is the same principle as why old cars with carbs are supposed to
> run
> > > smaller jets in the mountains so they don't flood the motor with the
> thin
> > > air.
> > > --
> > > Scott Lyman
> > > Mechanical Engineering Student
> > > Michigan Technological University



> > > > You should be able to run 185 - 186 without the benefit of a draft,
> > 192 -
> > > > 194 or more in a draft.  Don't forget, track temperature affects top
> > > speeds
> > > > too.  The cooler it is, the less dense the atmosphere, and the
higher
> > the
> > > > speeds.

> > > > Check out our web site for set ups - www.torn8oalley.com

> > > > T-Man #66



> > > > > what speeds should I be running there as a benchmark?



> > > > > > Must be a calibration problem. My wife could beat the AI at
Tally

> > > 70%.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > can't be getting a full range on your accelerator pedal.

> > > > > > If the wheel is new, make sure it is calibrated properly, in
> Windoze
> > > and
> > > > > N4.
> > > > > > Look at the numbers for your brake pedal (In N4 calibration),
are
> > the
> > > > gas
> > > > > > pedal's numbers remotely close, especially on the high end? If
not
> > > > therein
> > > > > > is your problem.

> > > > > > If the wheel is old, i would suspect a bad pot.

> > > > > > If not, I'd return it for a working unit.



> > > > > > > There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what springs
to
> > > mind:

> > > > > > > - make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran a
> race
> > > once
> > > > > > > and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out, there
> was
> > > > > > > some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from
getting
> > > full
> > > > > > > throttle.

> > > > > > > You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default
setups
> at
> > > > > > > 70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely contenders:

> > > > > > > - too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible to
get
> up
> > > to
> > > > > > > speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it easier
> to
> > > lose
> > > > > > > the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

> > > > > > > - not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull out
of
> > the
> > > > > > > draft and pass, especially without another car helping you.

> > > > > > > - losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you: if
> you
> > > are
> > > > > > > driving around without at least one partner, you are toast.

> > > > > > > - excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel, it
> > scrubs
> > > > > > > off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting" you
will
> > > bleed
> > > > > > > off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as
smooth
> > as
> > > > > > > possible.

> > > > > > > - never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to lift
> to
> > > make
> > > > > > > your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.  The
> AI
> > > cars
> > > > > > > generally take the preferred line.

> > > > > > > HTH,
> > > > > > > Gerald Moore



> > > > > > > > I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away, Why?
> > > > > > > > Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would be a
> > joke,
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > logical explanations?

Scott Lyma

N4 Tally speeds

by Scott Lyma » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 07:15:20

Don't worry about it, just giving ya some crap.  Gotta do what I'm good
at...just ask my friends.
--
Scott Lyman
Mechanical Engineering Student
Michigan Technological University

> I'm sorry?  Was only trying to help out.  Certainly i am open to being
> corrected when I am wrong.  Wasn't trying to sound smart,  and I apologize
> to anyone who thought otherwise.  Did not intend to give anyone the
> impression that I am all knowing.  Heck, I'll be the first to admit that.

> T-Man #66



> > Agreed.  Too bad you had to try and sound smart by throwing that density
> > stuff in the middle, eh?
> > --
> > Scott Lyman
> > Mechanical Engineering Student
> > Michigan Technological University



> > > Hey Scott:  I defer to you.  In fact, the more I think about it, I am
> > > definitely wrong.  But, I think we can agree that the the cooler the
> > track,
> > > the higher the average lap speeds are. Witness the difference at the
> > > superspeedways when the track temp is at its lowest vs. the higher
> temps.

> > > Thanks again for the correction.

> > > T-Man#66



> > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the cooler air make for a
denser
> > > > atmosphere, so more air is getting to the motor and creating more
> power?
> > > > This is the same principle as why old cars with carbs are supposed
to
> > run
> > > > smaller jets in the mountains so they don't flood the motor with the
> > thin
> > > > air.
> > > > --
> > > > Scott Lyman
> > > > Mechanical Engineering Student
> > > > Michigan Technological University



> > > > > You should be able to run 185 - 186 without the benefit of a
draft,
> > > 192 -
> > > > > 194 or more in a draft.  Don't forget, track temperature affects
top
> > > > speeds
> > > > > too.  The cooler it is, the less dense the atmosphere, and the
> higher
> > > the
> > > > > speeds.

> > > > > Check out our web site for set ups - www.torn8oalley.com

> > > > > T-Man #66



> > > > > > what speeds should I be running there as a benchmark?



> > > > > > > Must be a calibration problem. My wife could beat the AI at
> Tally

> > > > 70%.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > can't be getting a full range on your accelerator pedal.

> > > > > > > If the wheel is new, make sure it is calibrated properly, in
> > Windoze
> > > > and
> > > > > > N4.
> > > > > > > Look at the numbers for your brake pedal (In N4 calibration),
> are
> > > the
> > > > > gas
> > > > > > > pedal's numbers remotely close, especially on the high end? If
> not
> > > > > therein
> > > > > > > is your problem.

> > > > > > > If the wheel is old, i would suspect a bad pot.

> > > > > > > If not, I'd return it for a working unit.



> > > > > > > > There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what
springs
> to
> > > > mind:

> > > > > > > > - make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran a
> > race
> > > > once
> > > > > > > > and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out,
there
> > was
> > > > > > > > some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from
> getting
> > > > full
> > > > > > > > throttle.

> > > > > > > > You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default
> setups
> > at
> > > > > > > > 70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely
contenders:

> > > > > > > > - too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible to
> get
> > up
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it
easier
> > to
> > > > lose
> > > > > > > > the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

> > > > > > > > - not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull out
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > draft and pass, especially without another car helping you.

> > > > > > > > - losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you:
if
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > driving around without at least one partner, you are toast.

> > > > > > > > - excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel,
it
> > > scrubs
> > > > > > > > off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting" you
> will
> > > > bleed
> > > > > > > > off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as
> smooth
> > > as
> > > > > > > > possible.

> > > > > > > > - never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to
lift
> > to
> > > > make
> > > > > > > > your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.
The
> > AI
> > > > cars
> > > > > > > > generally take the preferred line.

> > > > > > > > HTH,
> > > > > > > > Gerald Moore



> > > > > > > > > I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away, Why?
> > > > > > > > > Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would be
a
> > > joke,
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > logical explanations?

T-..

N4 Tally speeds

by T-.. » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 10:50:39

no worries, thanks Scott, I do appreciate the corrections.


> Don't worry about it, just giving ya some crap.  Gotta do what I'm good
> at...just ask my friends.
> --
> Scott Lyman
> Mechanical Engineering Student
> Michigan Technological University


> > I'm sorry?  Was only trying to help out.  Certainly i am open to being
> > corrected when I am wrong.  Wasn't trying to sound smart,  and I
apologize
> > to anyone who thought otherwise.  Did not intend to give anyone the
> > impression that I am all knowing.  Heck, I'll be the first to admit
that.

> > T-Man #66



> > > Agreed.  Too bad you had to try and sound smart by throwing that
density
> > > stuff in the middle, eh?
> > > --
> > > Scott Lyman
> > > Mechanical Engineering Student
> > > Michigan Technological University



> > > > Hey Scott:  I defer to you.  In fact, the more I think about it, I
am
> > > > definitely wrong.  But, I think we can agree that the the cooler the
> > > track,
> > > > the higher the average lap speeds are. Witness the difference at the
> > > > superspeedways when the track temp is at its lowest vs. the higher
> > temps.

> > > > Thanks again for the correction.

> > > > T-Man#66



> > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the cooler air make for a
> denser
> > > > > atmosphere, so more air is getting to the motor and creating more
> > power?
> > > > > This is the same principle as why old cars with carbs are supposed
> to
> > > run
> > > > > smaller jets in the mountains so they don't flood the motor with
the
> > > thin
> > > > > air.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Scott Lyman
> > > > > Mechanical Engineering Student
> > > > > Michigan Technological University



> > > > > > You should be able to run 185 - 186 without the benefit of a
> draft,
> > > > 192 -
> > > > > > 194 or more in a draft.  Don't forget, track temperature affects
> top
> > > > > speeds
> > > > > > too.  The cooler it is, the less dense the atmosphere, and the
> > higher
> > > > the
> > > > > > speeds.

> > > > > > Check out our web site for set ups - www.torn8oalley.com

> > > > > > T-Man #66



> > > > > > > what speeds should I be running there as a benchmark?



> > > > > > > > Must be a calibration problem. My wife could beat the AI at
> > Tally

> > > > > 70%.
> > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > can't be getting a full range on your accelerator pedal.

> > > > > > > > If the wheel is new, make sure it is calibrated properly, in
> > > Windoze
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > N4.
> > > > > > > > Look at the numbers for your brake pedal (In N4
calibration),
> > are
> > > > the
> > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > pedal's numbers remotely close, especially on the high end?
If
> > not
> > > > > > therein
> > > > > > > > is your problem.

> > > > > > > > If the wheel is old, i would suspect a bad pot.

> > > > > > > > If not, I'd return it for a working unit.



> > > > > > > > > There could be a number of explanations.  Here's what
> springs
> > to
> > > > > mind:

> > > > > > > > > - make sure your controller is properly calibrated.  I ran
a
> > > race
> > > > > once
> > > > > > > > > and the car just WOULD NOT come up to speed.  Turns out,
> there
> > > was
> > > > > > > > > some junk wedged in the gas pedal that prevented me from
> > getting
> > > > > full
> > > > > > > > > throttle.

> > > > > > > > > You should be able to smoke the AI with even the default
> > setups
> > > at
> > > > > > > > > 70%, but here are some other somewhat less likely
> contenders:

> > > > > > > > > - too steep of a rear gear: this will make it impossible
to
> > get
> > > up
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > speed quickly enough to stay in the draft, and makes it
> easier
> > > to
> > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > > the draft if you have to lift for any reason.

> > > > > > > > > - not enough tape: this is important when trying to pull
out
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > draft and pass, especially without another car helping
you.

> > > > > > > > > - losing the draft, or not having a car drafting with you:
> if
> > > you
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > driving around without at least one partner, you are
toast.

> > > > > > > > > - excessive steering input: every time you move the wheel,
> it
> > > > scrubs
> > > > > > > > > off a little speed.  If you are constantly "correcting"
you
> > will
> > > > > bleed
> > > > > > > > > off lots of speed, especially in the turns.  Try to be as
> > smooth
> > > > as
> > > > > > > > > possible.

> > > > > > > > > - never lift unless absolutely necessary.  If you have to
> lift
> > > to
> > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > your car turn, re-examine your driving line and/or setup.
> The
> > > AI
> > > > > cars
> > > > > > > > > generally take the preferred line.

> > > > > > > > > HTH,
> > > > > > > > > Gerald Moore



> > > > > > > > > > I can't get ***for speed the AI(70%) blows me away,
Why?
> > > > > > > > > > Is it my machine or wheel or what,  the AI at 90% would
be
> a
> > > > joke,
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > logical explanations?


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