rec.autos.simulators

by **Tim Deatherag** » Sun, 09 Sep 2001 10:15:10

I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at the
local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
so
I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII 450
with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card

Any suggestions ?????????????

AS ALWAYS, THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!
--
Tim A. Deatherage

www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Sun, 09 Sep 2001 12:32:52

Neither, unless you're dying for an F1 sim right now. The successor to F1CS2K, F12001 is due out late this month, I believe, and is
said to have a much more efficient graphics engine than its predecessors. There should be a few reviews out within a few days as
well, - eh JB? ;-)

Cheers,

SB

> I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at the
> local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
> so
> I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII 450
> with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card

> Any suggestions ?????????????

> AS ALWAYS, THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!
> --
> Tim A. Deatherage

> www.timdeatheragecpa.com

by **REDLINE42** » Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:23:16

Yea but then he would have to do a giga-Hz Anthlon/Gefarce upgrade

--
R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE 2/25/52 - 7/2/2000

by **Ali Ismet Ozka** » Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:26:34

And where do you get that from ???

by **REDLINE42** » Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:49:06

HUH?

Brand New Racing Game... er simulation = Brand New Computer.

He said he had a P3-450 w/Voodoo 3000

--
R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE 2/25/52 - 7/2/2000

by WB » Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:59:32

Just wait a few weeks until F1CS 2001 comes out and get that.

It should run better than both F1RC and F1CS.

The only "slowdowns" you will get will be at the starts, but
after that its fine.

If I can run both games fine on a Celeron 366 and TNT1, I think it
should be fine for you.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:15:10 -0500, "Tim Deatherage"

>I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at the
>local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
>so
>I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII 450
>with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card

>Any suggestions ?????????????

>AS ALWAYS, THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:33:34

I have spent a lot of time lately farting around with CS and trying to
even out the framerate. I found one odd stumbling block that was really
destroying my fps. I have a PIII 500 and usually overclock it with softFSB
to 559(big jump eh ?? not....) :) anyhow, the menus would stutter and
any new sounds would briefly pause the whole sim when it was overclocked.
Even with extremely low resoulutions, and details. I've backed off the
oc'ing, and hit a really smooth spot on the graphics. Generally set most
graphics to medium and turn off the bridges and a few other items. (of
course I only use the mirrors for brief checks)
Is that perfect? no but the hiccups are gone. I thought I would never
get a smooth framerate from CS, but it's pretty decent now.
However....if you are big into F1, then it wouldn't hurt to compare the
new 2001 version due out shortly. My biggest gripe with all these F1 sims
are the tracks. Damn chicanes EVERYWHERE.
dave henrie

> Just wait a few weeks until F1CS 2001 comes out and get that.

> It should run better than both F1RC and F1CS.

> The only "slowdowns" you will get will be at the starts, but
> after that its fine.

> If I can run both games fine on a Celeron 366 and TNT1, I think it
> should be fine for you.

> On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:15:10 -0500, "Tim Deatherage"

> >I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at
the
> >local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
> >so
> >I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII
450
> >with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card

> >Any suggestions ?????????????

> >AS ALWAYS, THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:18:36

My point was that F12001 is touted to have a much more efficient graphics engine than either of its two predecessors, thus being
LESS demanding of his computer. We'll soon see if that holds water, as my aged 450/V3 will tell...

SB

> HUH?

> Brand New Racing Game... er simulation = Brand New Computer.

> He said he had a P3-450 w/Voodoo 3000

> --
> R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE 2/25/52 - 7/2/2000

by **Galley_SimRace** » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:01:38

Try this page: http://www.f1gamers.com/

--
"Life is what you experience between racing games"
Galley

by **Schum** » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:03:32

Maybe www.f1rcrelay.com will help you with your decision. It is the most
advanced online community for racing today, including real-time statistics
tracking, consistency rankings, skill rankings, etc.

Anyways... take a pek, maybe F1RC is the one for you, or maybe not.

Cheers,

Schumi

by **John Bod** » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:47:27

Too bad about F1RC's "perfect"-yet-surrealistic tracks and
pseudo-virtual physics modeling.

:-/

-- JB

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:03:32 -0700, "Schumi"

>Maybe www.f1rcrelay.com will help you with your decision. It is the most
>advanced online community for racing today, including real-time statistics
>tracking, consistency rankings, skill rankings, etc.

>Anyways... take a pek, maybe F1RC is the one for you, or maybe not.

>Cheers,

>Schumi

>| I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at
>the
>| local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
>| so
>| I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII 450
>| with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card
>|
>| Any suggestions ?????????????
>|
>| AS ALWAYS, THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!
>| --
>| Tim A. Deatherage

>| www.timdeatheragecpa.com
>|
>|
>|
>|

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:20:33

Could you explain this a little further?

David G Fisher

> Too bad about F1RC's "perfect"-yet-surrealistic tracks and
> pseudo-virtual physics modeling.

> :-/

> -- JB

> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:03:32 -0700, "Schumi"

> >Maybe www.f1rcrelay.com will help you with your decision. It is the most
> >advanced online community for racing today, including real-time
statistics
> >tracking, consistency rankings, skill rankings, etc.

> >Anyways... take a pek, maybe F1RC is the one for you, or maybe not.

> >Cheers,

> >Schumi

> >| I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at
> >the
> >| local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
> >| so
> >| I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII
450
> >| with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card
> >|
> >| Any suggestions ?????????????
> >|
> >| AS ALWAYS, THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!
> >| --
> >| Tim A. Deatherage

> >| www.timdeatheragecpa.com
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|

by **John Bod** » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:57:13

Yes, gladly:

IMO, the tracks in F1RC look glorious, but they are WAY too smooth. I
get the idea that I'm driving on glass, not a real track. That busts
the "simulation" aspect for me in a big way.

Similarly, the physics modeling is WAY too uncommunicative for me.
I'm not a Force Feedback fan at all, but with things like GPL, NASCAR
Heat, or F1CS2K, I can REALLY feel when the car is approaching the
limits of adhesion, and when things go wrong, I know WHY they went
wrong and what I did to make it all happen. With F1RC, I never have a
clue when I'm approaching the limit, or why things go wrong when I
find myself swapping ends. Again, this really takes away from the
"simulation" aspect for me, and overall, F1RC feels far too much like
F1WGP for my taste.

That doesn't mean it's bad by any stretch -- it just means that F1RC
doesn't tickle my sim senses in a pleasurable way, and I know a lot of
other people who feel the same way. At the same time, there are lots
of people who REALLY like F1RC. Neither camp is inherently right or
wrong -- it all comes down to a matter of taste.

I tossed my comment out because I really want to like F1RC, but it's
just not immersive enough for me. So, no matter how good Schumi's
F1RC Relay is, it's just not going to do it for me.

-- JB

On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 04:20:33 GMT, "David G Fisher"

>Could you explain this a little further?

>David G Fisher

>> Too bad about F1RC's "perfect"-yet-surrealistic tracks and
>> pseudo-virtual physics modeling.

>> :-/

>> -- JB

>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:03:32 -0700, "Schumi"

>> >Maybe www.f1rcrelay.com will help you with your decision. It is the most
>> >advanced online community for racing today, including real-time
>statistics
>> >tracking, consistency rankings, skill rankings, etc.

>> >Anyways... take a pek, maybe F1RC is the one for you, or maybe not.

>> >Cheers,

>> >Schumi

>> >| I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at
>> >the
>> >| local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
>> >| so
>> >| I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII
>450
>> >| with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card
>> >|
>> >| Any suggestions ?????????????
>> >|
>> >| AS ALWAYS, THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!
>> >| --
>> >| Tim A. Deatherage

>> >| www.timdeatheragecpa.com
>> >|
>> >|
>> >|
>> >|

by **John Bod** » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:00:55

Clarification:

I'm not a Force Feedback fan, and I don't use a Force Feedback setup,
but even WITHOUT Force Feedback in sims like GPL, NASCAR Heat, or
F1CS2K, I can STILL feel when the car is approaching the limits of
adhesion, and when things go wrong, I know WHY they went wrong and
what I did to make it all happen -- even WITHOUT Force Feedback.

-- JB

>Yes, gladly:

>IMO, the tracks in F1RC look glorious, but they are WAY too smooth. I
>get the idea that I'm driving on glass, not a real track. That busts
>the "simulation" aspect for me in a big way.

>Similarly, the physics modeling is WAY too uncommunicative for me.
>I'm not a Force Feedback fan at all, but with things like GPL, NASCAR
>Heat, or F1CS2K, I can REALLY feel when the car is approaching the
>limits of adhesion, and when things go wrong, I know WHY they went
>wrong and what I did to make it all happen. With F1RC, I never have a
>clue when I'm approaching the limit, or why things go wrong when I
>find myself swapping ends. Again, this really takes away from the
>"simulation" aspect for me, and overall, F1RC feels far too much like
>F1WGP for my taste.

>That doesn't mean it's bad by any stretch -- it just means that F1RC
>doesn't tickle my sim senses in a pleasurable way, and I know a lot of
>other people who feel the same way. At the same time, there are lots
>of people who REALLY like F1RC. Neither camp is inherently right or
>wrong -- it all comes down to a matter of taste.

>I tossed my comment out because I really want to like F1RC, but it's
>just not immersive enough for me. So, no matter how good Schumi's
>F1RC Relay is, it's just not going to do it for me.

>-- JB

>On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 04:20:33 GMT, "David G Fisher"

>>Could you explain this a little further?

>>David G Fisher

>>> Too bad about F1RC's "perfect"-yet-surrealistic tracks and
>>> pseudo-virtual physics modeling.

>>> :-/

>>> -- JB

>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:03:32 -0700, "Schumi"

>>> >Maybe www.f1rcrelay.com will help you with your decision. It is the most
>>> >advanced online community for racing today, including real-time
>>statistics
>>> >tracking, consistency rankings, skill rankings, etc.

>>> >Anyways... take a pek, maybe F1RC is the one for you, or maybe not.

>>> >Cheers,

>>> >Schumi

>>> >| I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at
>>> >the
>>> >| local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
>>> >| so
>>> >| I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII
>>450
>>> >| with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card
>>> >|
>>> >| Any suggestions ?????????????
>>> >|
>>> >| AS ALWAYS, THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!
>>> >| --
>>> >| Tim A. Deatherage

>>> >| www.timdeatheragecpa.com
>>> >|
>>> >|
>>> >|
>>> >|

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:05:03

Gotcha. Yes, the tracks are probably too smooth.

As for the physics, I absolutely love the way the car in F1RC communicates
to me when it's near the limit. Contolled slides. The whole bit.

Strange how people view sims. I sometimes think controller, controller
setup, and computer system have more to do with the different "feel" than
anything else.

David G Fisher
,

> Yes, gladly:

> IMO, the tracks in F1RC look glorious, but they are WAY too smooth. I
> get the idea that I'm driving on glass, not a real track. That busts
> the "simulation" aspect for me in a big way.

> Similarly, the physics modeling is WAY too uncommunicative for me.
> I'm not a Force Feedback fan at all, but with things like GPL, NASCAR
> Heat, or F1CS2K, I can REALLY feel when the car is approaching the
> limits of adhesion, and when things go wrong, I know WHY they went
> wrong and what I did to make it all happen. With F1RC, I never have a
> clue when I'm approaching the limit, or why things go wrong when I
> find myself swapping ends. Again, this really takes away from the
> "simulation" aspect for me, and overall, F1RC feels far too much like
> F1WGP for my taste.

> That doesn't mean it's bad by any stretch -- it just means that F1RC
> doesn't tickle my sim senses in a pleasurable way, and I know a lot of
> other people who feel the same way. At the same time, there are lots
> of people who REALLY like F1RC. Neither camp is inherently right or
> wrong -- it all comes down to a matter of taste.

> I tossed my comment out because I really want to like F1RC, but it's
> just not immersive enough for me. So, no matter how good Schumi's
> F1RC Relay is, it's just not going to do it for me.

> -- JB

> On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 04:20:33 GMT, "David G Fisher"

> >Could you explain this a little further?

> >David G Fisher

> >> Too bad about F1RC's "perfect"-yet-surrealistic tracks and
> >> pseudo-virtual physics modeling.

> >> :-/

> >> -- JB

> >> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:03:32 -0700, "Schumi"

> >> >Maybe www.f1rcrelay.com will help you with your decision. It is the
most
> >> >advanced online community for racing today, including real-time
> >statistics
> >> >tracking, consistency rankings, skill rankings, etc.

> >> >Anyways... take a pek, maybe F1RC is the one for you, or maybe not.

> >> >Cheers,

> >> >Schumi

> >> >| I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid
at
> >> >the
> >> >| local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
> >> >| so
> >> >| I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older
PIII
> >450
> >> >| with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card
> >> >|
> >> >| Any suggestions ?????????????
> >> >|
> >> >| AS ALWAYS, THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >| --
> >> >| Tim A. Deatherage

> >> >| www.timdeatheragecpa.com
> >> >|
> >> >|
> >> >|
> >> >|

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