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F1-RC or F1-CS2K ?????

Tony Rickar

F1-RC or F1-CS2K ?????

by Tony Rickar » Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:18:34


> As for the physics, I absolutely love the way the car in F1RC communicates
> to me when it's near the limit. Contolled slides. The whole bit.

Same for me, F1RC provides the greatest feel of the modern F1 sims to date.

Totally agree. Just switching between a wheel with 270 degrees to 180
degrees and back completely changed my views on the controllability of
various sims. Plus, of course some time to fiddle with the settings!

I think a "revisit" to various sims every now and then, checking out the
latest downloads can reap great rewards.

I just did a fresh install of F1RC, downloaded Xaver's physics 1.4 and
watched a couple of races compared with the original install. Now the AI can
negotiate the chicane Suzuka without all getting stuck. It is too early to
say this is the answer to F1RC's AI problem but it certainly looked the most
realistic racing on a PC I have seen so far.

Cheers

Tony

Pat Dotso

F1-RC or F1-CS2K ?????

by Pat Dotso » Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:08:00



> > Strange how people view sims. I sometimes think controller, controller
> > setup, and computer system have more to do with the different "feel" than
> > anything else.

> Totally agree. Just switching between a wheel with 270 degrees to 180
> degrees and back completely changed my views on the controllability of
> various sims. Plus, of course some time to fiddle with the settings!

Yep.  What would be cool for a developer to do is, as part of the
standard wheel calibration, you are asked to turn your wheel 90
degrees to the right, then 90 degrees to the left.  The developer
could use that information to set up what they think is the correct
steering linearity and steering lock.  Of course the user should be
able to override those settings, but it would give a common starting
point.

--
Pat Dotson

Thom j

F1-RC or F1-CS2K ?????

by Thom j » Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:25:37

Pat, Isnt this what they do in the custom setups applets that are in
my TM Ferrari setup? At least this is what I thought the pre-setup
was for via custom setups? only curious.. -t.j.

| Yep.  What would be cool for a developer to do is, as part of the
| standard wheel calibration, you are asked to turn your wheel 90
| degrees to the right, then 90 degrees to the left.  The developer
| could use that information to set up what they think is the correct
| steering linearity and steering lock.  Of course the user should be
| able to override those settings, but it would give a common starting
| point.
|
| --
| Pat Dotson

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Pat Dotso

F1-RC or F1-CS2K ?????

by Pat Dotso » Tue, 11 Sep 2001 02:49:01

I mean the software developer.  The wheel setup applet
isn't going to feed that info to the sim software.  I'm
sure it could read that info, but it would be easier
to do the calibration in the sim.

The point of all this would be that the sim software
developer could sort of assure that the user gets
the response from wheel inputs that the devoloper
intends.  That baseline could be tweaked as the user
see fit.

--
Pat Dotson


> Pat, Isnt this what they do in the custom setups applets that are in
> my TM Ferrari setup? At least this is what I thought the pre-setup
> was for via custom setups? only curious.. -t.j.


> | Yep.  What would be cool for a developer to do is, as part of the
> | standard wheel calibration, you are asked to turn your wheel 90
> | degrees to the right, then 90 degrees to the left.  The developer
> | could use that information to set up what they think is the correct
> | steering linearity and steering lock.  Of course the user should be
> | able to override those settings, but it would give a common starting
> | point.
> |
> | --
> | Pat Dotson

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Thom j

F1-RC or F1-CS2K ?????

by Thom j » Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:55:41

Ahh I see... Got it :)

| I mean the software developer.  The wheel setup applet
| isn't going to feed that info to the sim software.  I'm
| sure it could read that info, but it would be easier
| to do the calibration in the sim.
|
| The point of all this would be that the sim software
| developer could sort of assure that the user gets
| the response from wheel inputs that the devoloper
| intends.  That baseline could be tweaked as the user
| see fit.
|
| --
| Pat Dotson
|
| >
| > Pat, Isnt this what they do in the custom setups applets that are in
| > my TM Ferrari setup? At least this is what I thought the pre-setup
| > was for via custom setups? only curious.. -t.j.
| >

| > | Yep.  What would be cool for a developer to do is, as part of the
| > | standard wheel calibration, you are asked to turn your wheel 90
| > | degrees to the right, then 90 degrees to the left.  The developer
| > | could use that information to set up what they think is the correct
| > | steering linearity and steering lock.  Of course the user should be
| > | able to override those settings, but it would give a common starting
| > | point.
| > |
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| > | Pat Dotson

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jlohma

F1-RC or F1-CS2K ?????

by jlohma » Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:01:08

I would recommend Dl'ing the demo's and try them out for yourself.
I had a voodoo5 when F1CS2k came out, and I think that sim doesn't look to
good on a voodoo card. There is alot of texture flickering.

> I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at
the
> local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
> so
> I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII 450
> with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card

> Any suggestions ?????????????

> AS ALWAYS, THANKS  !!!!!!!!!!!
> --
> Tim A. Deatherage

> www.timdeatheragecpa.com

Dave Henri

F1-RC or F1-CS2K ?????

by Dave Henri » Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:21:43

  that's what FSAA is for...turn it off and you are right, the sim looks
awful.  Turn it on, even just 2x fsaa and you've got a very clean screen.
dave henrie

> I would recommend Dl'ing the demo's and try them out for yourself.
> I had a voodoo5 when F1CS2k came out, and I think that sim doesn't look to
> good on a voodoo card. There is alot of texture flickering.

> > I am contemplating buying one of the above Formula games but the kid at
> the
> > local Software Etc. knew NOTHING
> > so
> > I was wondering what the consensus is the better Sim for an older PIII
450
> > with a 3dfx AGP 3000 card and a SB Live Sound card

> > Any suggestions ?????????????

> > AS ALWAYS, THANKS  !!!!!!!!!!!
> > --
> > Tim A. Deatherage

> > www.timdeatheragecpa.com

Eldre

F1-RC or F1-CS2K ?????

by Eldre » Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:28:23



>Strange how people view sims. I sometimes think controller, controller
>setup, and computer system have more to do with the different "feel" than
>anything else.

I wonder about that also.  But, why would a controller feel different in 1 or 2
games?  Doesn't matter which game.  You'd think the controller would have the
same feel and communicate the same thing(s) in each game.  I'm probably not
understanding it enough to say it correctly... :(

Eldred
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