rec.autos.simulators

by **Rich Jerom** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

OK guys ,need some advice.I'm going to upgrade my celeron 333 to either a P3
500 or a Celeron 500 soon. Is the speed difference between these two cpu's
great enough to spend the extra money? Should I get the Celeron and get an
extra 64 megs of ram or get the P3 500?

by **Liutger Franze** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

IMHO a celeron-500 w/ 128MB will be faster than a p3-500 w/ 64MB most of
the time. when you upgrade: what do you do with the old celery? dump it?
if so: try overclocking it first - you might get a celeron-500 with
100MHz FSB for free ...

Lio

by **Rick Baumhaue** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hmm, that depends on your current motherboard - if it's a BX motherboard,
then either will work, but if not...........

The Celerons are made to work with 66MHz front-side-bus (though they
generally overclock well on faster motherboards), the P3 with 100MHz (well
the 500 is, at least - won't get into Coppermine here). If you have an
older (LX) motherboard, then the Celeron is really the only choice.
Personally, I have a C400 oc'ed to 450 on an LX motherboard (running at
75MHz).

As someone else said, you're probably better off with a C500 and more ram,
in any case.

Rick

by **Michael Basde** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

But if you are using Windows 9X, it'll only recognize the first 64MB of ram. I
don't know if you will really notice a differencewith 128MB compared to 64MB.

Mike

> OK guys ,need some advice.I'm going to upgrade my celeron 333 to either a P3
> 500 or a Celeron 500 soon. Is the speed difference between these two cpu's
> great enough to spend the extra money? Should I get the Celeron and get an
> extra 64 megs of ram or get the P3 500?

by **Alexander Mar** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

64MB.

sorry, but this is just plain wrong - win9x will of course recognize and use
memory beyond 64MB, I have 320MB and sometimes even that isn't enough (I can
record a full GP replay in GPL thou :)

to the original poster: IMO get a celeron with the best price (at the moment
i'd recommend a 400 overclocked to 450 (75mhz FSB, EVERY celeron can do that
easily) - if you can afford to get the 500 you're safe), and as much RAM as
you can get. If you don'T have 128 mb then upgrade now! the difference is
night and day.

by **Liutger Franze** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

huh?? don't you think you mix something up? like the old TX-chipset that
could not cache RAM above 64MB? I am using win98 myself on one machine
w/ 128 and another with 256MB ram and it works and uses all ram, believe
me ...

Lio

by **nobo** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Total rubbish. WIN 98 WILL detect AND use Ram over 64 mb. Period.

Lars Gaarde
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:10:48 -0500, Michael Basden

>But if you are using Windows 9X, it'll only recognize the first 64MB of ram. I
>don't know if you will really notice a differencewith 128MB compared to 64MB.

>Mike

>> OK guys ,need some advice.I'm going to upgrade my celeron 333 to either a P3
>> 500 or a Celeron 500 soon. Is the speed difference between these two cpu's
>> great enough to spend the extra money? Should I get the Celeron and get an
>> extra 64 megs of ram or get the P3 500?

by **Don Hancock (** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>Total rubbish. WIN 98 WILL detect AND use Ram over 64 mb. Period.

>Lars Gaarde

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that he just misstated
what he intended. Of course Win98 will recognize memory up to whatever
capacity your motherboard will support (at least for now. There IS a limit,
but it's beyond the capabilities of personal motherboards), however there
does become a point at which it is no longer beneficial. I'm pretty sure
that point is around 128MB. Under some circumstances, you can actually
start to slow your system down as you add RAM because it takes too long to
sift thru to then go to the cache for its information. IOW, your computer
can search thru 128MB for its info MUCH quicker than it can search thru
300MB. And if its information is NOT in that 128MB (or 300MB), when it's
done looking, it's got to go thru the cache. I think 256MB is a good hedge
for the future since many boards have only 2 or 3 DIMM slots.

Gunner

by **Vintoo** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I have a Celeron 300a and have run it at 450 since I bought it. I would
think a 300a is a hell of a lot cheaper than a 400.

Vintook

by **Sideshow Bo** » Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Old Intel chipsets (and maybe some others) wouldn't cache memory above 64MB.
Machines with >64MB sometimes ran slower than <= 64MB.

Win98 can handle 1GB of memory (that's in the MS knowledge base somewhere)

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by **Phil Bowe** » Sun, 30 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Voodoo 3-3000 = $140
128MB New Ram = $170

If cost is any object, I choose C500/toys. If $ are plentiful, get both!

>OK guys ,need some advice.I'm going to upgrade my celeron 333 to either a
P3
>500 or a Celeron 500 soon. Is the speed difference between these two cpu's
>great enough to spend the extra money? Should I get the Celeron and get an
>extra 64 megs of ram or get the P3 500?

by **Pond Sc** » Sun, 30 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>Old Intel chipsets (and maybe some others) wouldn't cache memory above 64MB.
>Machines with >64MB sometimes ran slower than <= 64MB.

This is not an issue with Pentium II, Pentium III, or current Celeron
processors. The L2 cache cache control logic is on the processor itself,
and not a function of the chipset, so it is property of the processor,
not the chipset.

If you look through some of Intel's technical notes, you'll see that
some early steppings of the PII could only cache memory in a 256MB
range.

by **Rich Jerom** » Sun, 30 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I've seen the P3 500 for as low $230 for the OEM version.Just trying to
figure out if it's worth the extra dough.Also has anyone had any trouble
those slockets?This cpu will go in a slot 1 board(Abit BH6 w/bios update.)

> Voodoo 3-3000 = $140
> 128MB New Ram = $170

> If cost is any object, I choose C500/toys. If $ are plentiful, get both!

> >OK guys ,need some advice.I'm going to upgrade my celeron 333 to either a
> P3
> >500 or a Celeron 500 soon. Is the speed difference between these two
cpu's
> >great enough to spend the extra money? Should I get the Celeron and get
an
> >extra 64 megs of ram or get the P3 500?

by **pjgt..** » Sun, 30 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> Total rubbish. WIN 98 WILL detect AND use Ram over 64 mb. Period.

I thought Win95 would also recognise and use more than 64Mb ram
(provided you are not on an old motherboard, with a tx, or older
chipset).

8-)

*Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

by **parche** » Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:00:00

For what it's worth, when I got my PIII 450 I compared the framerates in GPL

same detail level and number of AI cars. The PIII 450 will o'clock to 558
though. Interestingly, with a V3 3000, increasing the clock speed of the
graphics card makes virtually no difference to the framerate, whereas
increasing the processor speed from 450 to 558 made a noticeable improvement
(with 19 AI cars) - I guess the processor becomes the bottleneck with this
much graphics power available?
Note: all the above was only tested with GPL (but then, what else matters?)

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