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P3 500 or Celeron 500?

evente..

P3 500 or Celeron 500?

by evente.. » Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Well, I'll put in a vote for the PIII.  I went from a Celeron 400 OC'ed
to 500 to a PIII 500 (now OC'ed to 560) and the difference is really
quite remarkable.  The PIII internal optimizations really do make a
difference (and seem to more than make up for the 1/2 speed cache
compared to the Celeron).
There's a few things you need to look at before you decide, though.  Is
your existing memory PC100 memory (for 100Mhz FSB)?  If not, you'll
have to replace it to use the PIII.  If it's PC66 memory, you can
probably get away with overclocking it with a Celeron to 75 or 83Mhz
FSB.  Also note that if you have IDE drives, you may (probably will)
have to slow them down to overclock your FSB to 75 or 83Mhz.  I have a
BH6, and it has limited FSB and AGP/PCI divider options.  Again, when I
was able to go to a full 100Mhz FSB with the PIII, and re-enable UDMA
on my hard drives, the difference was *very* noticable.  Also note that
at the standard FSB settings, the PIII has a 100Mhz interface with the
memory, and the Celeron only 66Mhz.  Again a plus for the PIII.
It really depends on what your long-term purchase options are.  If you
have PC100 memory now, and could get another 64mb soon, I'd go for the
PIII, without a doubt.  If you're willing to go through the OC'ing
hassles, and this is the only upgrade you can do for a while, the

Mhz, so you might even be better off getting a pretested 366 or 400 and
OC'ing them to 550/600 respectively.  That would give you the 100Mhz
FSB and allow you to use standard AGP and PCI bus settings. Believe me -
 messing with your IDE drives to get them working at 75/83Mhz is a
*** (especially since you can kill your data if you push too far)!

Just FYI (and I know this isn't a 100% reliable benchmark):


This jibes with what I see in games, though.

BTW what's your video card?  You don't want more CPU than the card can
display.  I've got a V3-2000 running at 172Mhz (took a heatsink on the
back, and fans front and back to do it, though).

HTH!
Kendt

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Liutger Franze

P3 500 or Celeron 500?

by Liutger Franze » Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:00:00

you won't be able to purchase anything below a celeron-400 these days
... unless of course you get a used one ... and who would sell a used
celeron-300a that does 450?

Lio

Rich Jerom

P3 500 or Celeron 500?

by Rich Jerom » Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I've got the pc100 ram.Not interested in over clocking.Video is a Voodoo 3
3000.

> Well, I'll put in a vote for the PIII.  I went from a Celeron 400 OC'ed
> to 500 to a PIII 500 (now OC'ed to 560) and the difference is really
> quite remarkable.  The PIII internal optimizations really do make a
> difference (and seem to more than make up for the 1/2 speed cache
> compared to the Celeron).
> There's a few things you need to look at before you decide, though.  Is
> your existing memory PC100 memory (for 100Mhz FSB)?  If not, you'll
> have to replace it to use the PIII.  If it's PC66 memory, you can
> probably get away with overclocking it with a Celeron to 75 or 83Mhz
> FSB.  Also note that if you have IDE drives, you may (probably will)
> have to slow them down to overclock your FSB to 75 or 83Mhz.  I have a
> BH6, and it has limited FSB and AGP/PCI divider options.  Again, when I
> was able to go to a full 100Mhz FSB with the PIII, and re-enable UDMA
> on my hard drives, the difference was *very* noticable.  Also note that
> at the standard FSB settings, the PIII has a 100Mhz interface with the
> memory, and the Celeron only 66Mhz.  Again a plus for the PIII.
> It really depends on what your long-term purchase options are.  If you
> have PC100 memory now, and could get another 64mb soon, I'd go for the
> PIII, without a doubt.  If you're willing to go through the OC'ing
> hassles, and this is the only upgrade you can do for a while, the

> Mhz, so you might even be better off getting a pretested 366 or 400 and
> OC'ing them to 550/600 respectively.  That would give you the 100Mhz
> FSB and allow you to use standard AGP and PCI bus settings. Believe me -
>  messing with your IDE drives to get them working at 75/83Mhz is a
> *** (especially since you can kill your data if you push too far)!

> Just FYI (and I know this isn't a 100% reliable benchmark):


> This jibes with what I see in games, though.

> BTW what's your video card?  You don't want more CPU than the card can
> display.  I've got a V3-2000 running at 172Mhz (took a heatsink on the
> back, and fans front and back to do it, though).

> HTH!
> Kendt

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Ronnie Bigwhi

P3 500 or Celeron 500?

by Ronnie Bigwhi » Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:00:00

 My opinion on this is that I would never ever build a machine with less
than 128 megs ram for *** nowadays.


> I've got the pc100 ram.Not interested in over clocking.Video is a Voodoo 3
> 3000.




> > Well, I'll put in a vote for the PIII.  I went from a Celeron 400 OC'ed
> > to 500 to a PIII 500 (now OC'ed to 560) and the difference is really
> > quite remarkable.  The PIII internal optimizations really do make a
> > difference (and seem to more than make up for the 1/2 speed cache
> > compared to the Celeron).
> > There's a few things you need to look at before you decide, though.  Is
> > your existing memory PC100 memory (for 100Mhz FSB)?  If not, you'll
> > have to replace it to use the PIII.  If it's PC66 memory, you can
> > probably get away with overclocking it with a Celeron to 75 or 83Mhz
> > FSB.  Also note that if you have IDE drives, you may (probably will)
> > have to slow them down to overclock your FSB to 75 or 83Mhz.  I have a
> > BH6, and it has limited FSB and AGP/PCI divider options.  Again, when I
> > was able to go to a full 100Mhz FSB with the PIII, and re-enable UDMA
> > on my hard drives, the difference was *very* noticable.  Also note that
> > at the standard FSB settings, the PIII has a 100Mhz interface with the
> > memory, and the Celeron only 66Mhz.  Again a plus for the PIII.
> > It really depends on what your long-term purchase options are.  If you
> > have PC100 memory now, and could get another 64mb soon, I'd go for the
> > PIII, without a doubt.  If you're willing to go through the OC'ing
> > hassles, and this is the only upgrade you can do for a while, the

> > Mhz, so you might even be better off getting a pretested 366 or 400 and
> > OC'ing them to 550/600 respectively.  That would give you the 100Mhz
> > FSB and allow you to use standard AGP and PCI bus settings. Believe me -
> >  messing with your IDE drives to get them working at 75/83Mhz is a
> > *** (especially since you can kill your data if you push too far)!

> > Just FYI (and I know this isn't a 100% reliable benchmark):


> > This jibes with what I see in games, though.

> > BTW what's your video card?  You don't want more CPU than the card can
> > display.  I've got a V3-2000 running at 172Mhz (took a heatsink on the
> > back, and fans front and back to do it, though).

> > HTH!
> > Kendt

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> > Before you buy.

Roger Walke

P3 500 or Celeron 500?

by Roger Walke » Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I just purchased a new Celeron 366 2 weeks ago for $51. There are plenty out
there. As a bonus, it went straight to 550mhz with a GlobalWin heat sink/fan
at default voltage.

Roger


evente..

P3 500 or Celeron 500?

by evente.. » Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I agree -  I'd only get the PIII if he could get more memory fairly
soon.  64mb would be a pain on any recent game.

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Wat

P3 500 or Celeron 500?

by Wat » Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Where did you get it? Still available?

My celeron 300A accept only 450 at 2.2v, what a bad core!

board and another fan, and have to risk FSB133 with my a year old BX board and
PC100 mem.


> I just purchased a new Celeron 366 2 weeks ago for $51. There are plenty out
> there. As a bonus, it went straight to 550mhz with a GlobalWin heat sink/fan
> at default voltage.

> Roger

Roger Walke

P3 500 or Celeron 500?

by Roger Walke » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Wow...I didn't realize that the market for them dried up so quickly. I
purchased mine on Jan 15 and there lots of places with them in stock.But
here, 2 weeks later, almost no one has them. This, after a quick search, was
the only place I found with a decent price.
http://www.accessmicro.com/productinfo.php3?ProductId=CPII366CPPGA
Hope this helps.

Roger


> Where did you get it? Still available?

> My celeron 300A accept only 450 at 2.2v, what a bad core!

attachment
> board and another fan, and have to risk FSB133 with my a year old BX board
and
> PC100 mem.


> > I just purchased a new Celeron 366 2 weeks ago for $51. There are plenty
out
> > there. As a bonus, it went straight to 550mhz with a GlobalWin heat
sink/fan
> > at default voltage.

> > Roger


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