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by **Kai Fulle** » Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:00:00

he said he only know on that lap in the interview, he didn't know before...

personally I agree with you, but I thought it was worth discussing.

> >so Schumacher know RB was on a 2 pit strategy, and RB himself didn't know
> >till that lap?

> RB did know....he said so himself at the podium meeting afterwards...

> Remco

> >> My conjecture at the time was that Schumacher knew that RB quickpitted
> >> on the first stop and would need to stop again. He was running a one
> >> pitstop strategy himself and knew that there was no good reason not to
> >> be conservative, save fuel and tires, let his teammate run up front
> >> for a while and then take it back while he pitted. Nobody else behind
> >> was even close, so why take chances?

> >> Regards,
> >> Brett C. Cammack
> >> That's Racing! Motorsports
> >> Pompano Beach, FL

by **Paul Kierstea** » Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Sigh, this is unbelievable. Did any of you actually watch the race?
Ruebens is badly stuck behind a Jordan and essentially unable to pass on
the course. They decide that they may be able to pass the Jordan in the
pits; to do so you have to have a _very_ fast pitstop; you cannot
one-stop and get the required pit-time. As well, the general idea in
two-stopping is to be able to run faster due to lighter fuel load. So
they haul him in early in an attempt to be ahead of the Jordan after the
Jordan pit-stop. Turns out they didn't need to.

At the end, Ruebens does not have enough fuel to finish. Shu is running
slow since he doesn't need to run fast. So he lets Ruebens pass to pit
and not lose too much time. Ruebens doesn't charge at the end since he
has no hope in hell of making up about 20 seconds and passing in the
remaining laps.

P. Kierstead

> sorry yeah Shu didn't blow up, I just meant "everyone... else... good blew
> up"

> or something, and yeah there was a little knock on the Ferrari ownership,
> just to see how you guys would respond to that, I'm quite curious about it,
> and so where the announcers...

> quite frankly, it's too bad Shu's first win there was so tarnished, I mean
> all the competition was gone at that point, and then there's curious pit
> strategy...

> > > #
> > > #
> > > #
> > > !
> > > !
> > > &
> > > &
> > > %
> > > #

> > > ok...

> > > Both Jags Crash, along with De La Rosa

> > > McLarens All Blow their engines, after a brief 1 -2 lead to start the
> > race,
> > > Mika obviously in front....

> > > Then Ferraris and Jordan's go at it, Shu with a big lead....

> > > Jordan's blow up...

> > > Shu looses 2 seconds off his laps, Other Ferrari guy takes lead, running
> > > away. and decides to make a last minute decision to get some fuel just
> for
> > > fun. (Wanted to get his pit crew guys a bit more practice?) Schumacher
> > gets
> > > 4 additional champ points.

> > > Ralf gets 3rd, team mate Button was doing good, before he blew up...

> > > BAR got in the points...

> > > Bottom Line everyone good blew up, then Ferrari decided who needed the
> > > points most...

> > Schumacher didn't blow up!!

by **Mark Seer** » Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:00:00

With Schu well up the road and out of reach, with few laps left to do
anything about it, I would suggest that Rubens did the sensible thing

MS

by **Kai Fulle** » Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:00:00

hey I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, I'm just saying that this will
obviously be talked about, and that it's just a shame that Shu's first win
there will be tarnished by that.

> Sigh, this is unbelievable. Did any of you actually watch the race?
> Ruebens is badly stuck behind a Jordan and essentially unable to pass on
> the course. They decide that they may be able to pass the Jordan in the
> pits; to do so you have to have a _very_ fast pitstop; you cannot
> one-stop and get the required pit-time. As well, the general idea in
> two-stopping is to be able to run faster due to lighter fuel load. So
> they haul him in early in an attempt to be ahead of the Jordan after the
> Jordan pit-stop. Turns out they didn't need to.

> At the end, Ruebens does not have enough fuel to finish. Shu is running
> slow since he doesn't need to run fast. So he lets Ruebens pass to pit
> and not lose too much time. Ruebens doesn't charge at the end since he
> has no hope in hell of making up about 20 seconds and passing in the
> remaining laps.

> P. Kierstead

> > sorry yeah Shu didn't blow up, I just meant "everyone... else... good
blew
> > up"

> > or something, and yeah there was a little knock on the Ferrari
ownership,
> > just to see how you guys would respond to that, I'm quite curious about
it,
> > and so where the announcers...

> > quite frankly, it's too bad Shu's first win there was so tarnished, I
mean
> > all the competition was gone at that point, and then there's curious pit
> > strategy...

> > > > #
> > > > #
> > > > #
> > > > !
> > > > !
> > > > &
> > > > &
> > > > %
> > > > #

> > > > ok...

> > > > Both Jags Crash, along with De La Rosa

> > > > McLarens All Blow their engines, after a brief 1 -2 lead to start
the
> > > race,
> > > > Mika obviously in front....

> > > > Then Ferraris and Jordan's go at it, Shu with a big lead....

> > > > Jordan's blow up...

> > > > Shu looses 2 seconds off his laps, Other Ferrari guy takes lead,
running
> > > > away. and decides to make a last minute decision to get some fuel
just
> > for
> > > > fun. (Wanted to get his pit crew guys a bit more practice?)
Schumacher
> > > gets
> > > > 4 additional champ points.

> > > > Ralf gets 3rd, team mate Button was doing good, before he blew up...

> > > > BAR got in the points...

> > > > Bottom Line everyone good blew up, then Ferrari decided who needed
the
> > > > points most...

> > > Schumacher didn't blow up!!

by **Eldre** » Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>Kai Fuller >
>> Shu looses 2 seconds off his laps, Other Ferrari guy takes lead, running
>> away. and decides to make a last minute decision to get some fuel just for
>> fun. (Wanted to get his pit crew guys a bit more practice?) Schumacher
>gets
>> 4 additional champ points.

>Would you rather have had RB run out of fuel? Don't forget that he had set
>the fast lap moments earlier... maybe he was light on fuel. That splash and
>go he had earlier was probably to get him past Frentzen.

>But who knows? We have the rest of the season to show us who's quickest.

If RB needes another stop, then why go through the motions of *passing* MS? He
could have just pitted one lap earlier. To pass MS, *then* pit just looked a
little - strange...

Eldred
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by **Davi** » Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Maybe he did it since he knew he could and to get a few more points for his
ego.

Dave

by **David Kar** » Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Geez, fool. If RB was so fast, why was he so long in getting past Frentzen,
who was unable to make any impression on Schu??

Settle down, have a drink, and let up on the *** bullsh*t.

--DK

PS Any relation to the W2K Rick?

by **David Kar** » Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:00:00

No, he said Ross Brawn and he changed strategies when they saw (by the
amount of time HHH stayed out before pitting ) that Frentzen had opted for a
one-stop strategy. Read the Press Conference question carefully:

Q: How soon did you decide to change your strategy from one stop to two?

Barrichello: It happened pretty much on that lap when we saw that
Heinz-Harald was going for a long first stint. That was the moment when we
decided to go for two stops.

( from http://www.atlasf1.com/news/2135.htm )

--DK

[snip]

by **Rob** » Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>If RB needes another stop, then why go through the motions of *passing* MS? He
>could have just pitted one lap earlier. To pass MS, *then* pit just looked a
>little - strange...

>Eldred

Not really. MS was cruising to conserve his tires, but RB knew he
needed another stop therefore had to go as hard as he could to ensure
he had a big enough margin over the 3rd place car in order to pit and
still come out in 2nd. MS knew exactly what was going on, and moved
over to let RB pass. If he had really wanted to keep RB behind, I
think he could have...

by **Bern** » Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Good one ***er.

by **Brett C. Camma** » Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Pretty much fits with my take of things...

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

by **Matthew V. Jessic** » Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:00:00

> No, he said Ross Brawn and he changed strategies when they saw (by the
> amount of time HHH stayed out before pitting ) that Frentzen had opted for a
> one-stop strategy. Read the Press Conference question carefully:

> Q: How soon did you decide to change your strategy from one stop to two?

> Barrichello: It happened pretty much on that lap when we saw that
> Heinz-Harald was going for a long first stint. That was the moment when we
> decided to go for two stops.

Maybe the point confusing people is that "that lap"
means (to me) the lap of the first pit stop, not the second.
Other people seem to be taking it as meaning the lap of the second stop...

Darn pronouns ;)

--
Matthew V. Jessick Motorsims

Vehicle Dynamics Engineer (972)910-8866 Ext.125, Fax: (972)910-8216

by **Matthew V. Jessic** » Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:00:00

> hey I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, I'm just saying that this will
> obviously be talked about, and that it's just a shame that Shu's first win
> there will be tarnished by that.

More because of the large attrition, I'd say, rather than
the pitting stuff.

--
Matthew V. Jessick Motorsims

Vehicle Dynamics Engineer (972)910-8866 Ext.125, Fax: (972)910-8216

by **<desti..** » Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Hehe, I couldn't resist commenting on this. But who you trust within the
goverment, depends alot on whom you know. I know a couple from this one
particular outfit, the Task Force 160th Special Operations Aviation
Regiment. They are the good guys, but hey, what's with their black
helicopters?? Yeah, yeah, it's pretty much illegal for US Military to
operate any aircraft painted black, but if you go to the first URL below,
you will see pics of some of the helicopters. Depending on the view looking
at them, they appear to be black, or close enough to count. Actually a very
dark grey camo job. Though you can't really make out the camo too well,
since the overall paint is very dark. And in case you don't believe the
Popular Mechanics article about them, go to their homepage run by veterans
of the unit. They are probably some of the bravest, unselfish folks in the
USA. Tough, sometimes almost impossible job with no glamour or press. Which
you'll know why with some reading. :)

http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/sci/9901STMIP.html

and for their homepage...

http://www.nightstalkers.com/

Destin

> > Would you rather have had RB run out of fuel? Don't forget that he had
set
> > the fast lap moments earlier... maybe he was light on fuel.

> > Yea, right.
> > Or maybe ferrari decided who neede points most.

> Your sig was the first sign of paranoia, your post proves that
> you see black helicopters everywhere, don't you?
> ;^P

> > Rik Anthrax
> > -
> > -
> > "trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?"
> > "Cato was right."

> --
> l8er
> ronny

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by **Martin Urs** » Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I agree that it's a shame to have a tarnished win. It's an
even bigger shame when the win is "tarnished" by a flight of fancy
taken by some people.

I have not seen or heard any mention of Ferrari team orders
outside of Usenet.

Martin
Long Live Nigel Mansell!

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