rec.autos.simulators

by **TAZ** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:57:41

My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive it.

Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

by **skeet** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:49:03

I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
"slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
to weave all over the road.

>My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive it.

>Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

Thanks,

Skeeter

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
- Barry Goldwater

by **TAZ** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:59:33

Yeah that's exactly my problem.......geeze.

What do we do??

> I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
> "slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
> to weave all over the road.

> >My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive it.

> >Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

> Thanks,

> Skeeter

> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> - Barry Goldwater

by **TAZ** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:05:27

I emailed ACTLAB with the problem, see what they say...........

> I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
> "slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
> to weave all over the road.

> >My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive it.

> >Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

> Thanks,

> Skeeter

> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> - Barry Goldwater

by **skeet** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:27:52

I don't see it being an Act Labs problem because I've used the wheel
with N3 and NH with no problems. But then again who knows.

On the N4 calibration page, it shows that we've got 1024 increments
from left lock to right lock. If anything our wheels ought to be
easier to drive because it sounds like most wheels on only turn 180
degrees compared to about 270 for Act Labs. This would mean for each
degree of wheel turn Act Labs would cover about 3.8 "increments"
whereas the other wheels woul cover 5.9 "increments". This tells me
that other peoples ought to be twitchier than our are.

>I emailed ACTLAB with the problem, see what they say...........

>> I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
>> "slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
>> to weave all over the road.

>> >My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive it.

>> >Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

>> Thanks,

>> Skeeter

>> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
>> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
>> - Barry Goldwater

Thanks,

Skeeter

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
- Barry Goldwater

by **Marc Collin** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:06:49

It's the opposite...you have to turn your wheel more to get one "tick" of
resolution. I have complained already about the Ferrari wheel having only
1024 ticks of resolution....the greater lock on your wheel just makes it
worse. They should both be double that...especially considering the Ferrari
has 1024 resolution on the accelerator!

Marc.

> I don't see it being an Act Labs problem because I've used the wheel
> with N3 and NH with no problems. But then again who knows.

> On the N4 calibration page, it shows that we've got 1024 increments
> from left lock to right lock. If anything our wheels ought to be
> easier to drive because it sounds like most wheels on only turn 180
> degrees compared to about 270 for Act Labs. This would mean for each
> degree of wheel turn Act Labs would cover about 3.8 "increments"
> whereas the other wheels woul cover 5.9 "increments". This tells me
> that other peoples ought to be twitchier than our are.

> >I emailed ACTLAB with the problem, see what they say...........

> >> I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
> >> "slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
> >> to weave all over the road.

> >> >My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive it.

> >> >Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

> >> Thanks,

> >> Skeeter

> >> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> >> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> >> - Barry Goldwater

> Thanks,

> Skeeter

> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> - Barry Goldwater

by **skeet** » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:19:24

You are correct and that is what I tried to imply in my posting. Since
the Act Labs should only do 3.8 "ticks" per degree of turn (assuming
270 degrees lock to lock) as opposed to 5.9 "ticks" (assuming 180
degrees lock to lock). To me that says that my wheel ought to be more
forgiving and need more input to cause the same amount of turning.
That's why I'm baffled as to why the wheel is so twitchy to drive.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:06:49 GMT, "Marc Collins"

>It's the opposite...you have to turn your wheel more to get one "tick" of
>resolution. I have complained already about the Ferrari wheel having only
>1024 ticks of resolution....the greater lock on your wheel just makes it
>worse. They should both be double that...especially considering the Ferrari
>has 1024 resolution on the accelerator!

>Marc.

< snip >

Thanks,

Skeeter

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
- Barry Goldwater

by **skeet** » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:20:45

I haven't tried it yet but thought I'd let you know about what I was
told on the team-lightspeed.com site. They suggested that the linear
adjustment needs to be fiddled with. I'll try it a bit later to see if
that helps.

>I emailed ACTLAB with the problem, see what they say...........

>> I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
>> "slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
>> to weave all over the road.

>> >My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive it.

>> >Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

>> Thanks,

>> Skeeter

>> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
>> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
>> - Barry Goldwater

Thanks,

Skeeter

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
- Barry Goldwater

by **rdrace** » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:56:24

same thing running a old but trusty T2
and have linar set to 100%

RD

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:07:41

Set the steering ratio in the garage to either extreme and compare. If you
have a wheel, you should be using linear (or almost all the way to linear).
Also, make sure you use the steering hack option mentioned in the
readme.txt. The "normal" settings are frustrating and twitchy at low
speeds.

Marc.

> You are correct and that is what I tried to imply in my posting. Since
> the Act Labs should only do 3.8 "ticks" per degree of turn (assuming
> 270 degrees lock to lock) as opposed to 5.9 "ticks" (assuming 180
> degrees lock to lock). To me that says that my wheel ought to be more
> forgiving and need more input to cause the same amount of turning.
> That's why I'm baffled as to why the wheel is so twitchy to drive.

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:06:49 GMT, "Marc Collins"

> >It's the opposite...you have to turn your wheel more to get one "tick" of
> >resolution. I have complained already about the Ferrari wheel having
only
> >1024 ticks of resolution....the greater lock on your wheel just makes it
> >worse. They should both be double that...especially considering the
Ferrari
> >has 1024 resolution on the accelerator!

> >Marc.

> < snip >

> Thanks,

> Skeeter

> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> - Barry Goldwater

by **skeet** » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 03:01:40

I was wrong on the number of "increments" that the wheel has during
calibration. It's actually 4096, not 1024.

>I don't see it being an Act Labs problem because I've used the wheel
>with N3 and NH with no problems. But then again who knows.

>On the N4 calibration page, it shows that we've got 1024 increments
>from left lock to right lock. If anything our wheels ought to be
>easier to drive because it sounds like most wheels on only turn 180
>degrees compared to about 270 for Act Labs. This would mean for each
>degree of wheel turn Act Labs would cover about 3.8 "increments"
>whereas the other wheels woul cover 5.9 "increments". This tells me
>that other peoples ought to be twitchier than our are.

>>I emailed ACTLAB with the problem, see what they say...........

>>> I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
>>> "slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
>>> to weave all over the road.

>>> >My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive it.

>>> >Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

>>> Thanks,

>>> Skeeter

>>> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
>>> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
>>> - Barry Goldwater

>Thanks,

>Skeeter

>"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
>moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
>- Barry Goldwater

Thanks,

Skeeter

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
- Barry Goldwater

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 19 Feb 2001 06:22:21

I am jealous :)

Marc.

> I was wrong on the number of "increments" that the wheel has during
> calibration. It's actually 4096, not 1024.

> >I don't see it being an Act Labs problem because I've used the wheel
> >with N3 and NH with no problems. But then again who knows.

> >On the N4 calibration page, it shows that we've got 1024 increments
> >from left lock to right lock. If anything our wheels ought to be
> >easier to drive because it sounds like most wheels on only turn 180
> >degrees compared to about 270 for Act Labs. This would mean for each
> >degree of wheel turn Act Labs would cover about 3.8 "increments"
> >whereas the other wheels woul cover 5.9 "increments". This tells me
> >that other peoples ought to be twitchier than our are.

> >>I emailed ACTLAB with the problem, see what they say...........

> >>> I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
> >>> "slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
> >>> to weave all over the road.

> >>> >My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive
it.

> >>> >Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

> >>> Thanks,

> >>> Skeeter

> >>> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> >>> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> >>> - Barry Goldwater

> >Thanks,

> >Skeeter

> >"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> >moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> >- Barry Goldwater

> Thanks,

> Skeeter

> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> - Barry Goldwater

by **skeet** » Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:39:41

Well, I tried adjusting the linearity. I still don't like the way it
drives. By adjusting the linearity less than 100% it makes the
steering less sensitive while the wheel is in the center of it's arc.
But while turning into a corner the wheel starts to get more sensitive
again due to the way the non-linearity behaves. Yuck.

It seems to me that it would be much simpler to provide a larger
range of steering ratios so that the driver could select the setting
he likes while allowing the wheel to be 100% linear. I don't think
Papy did a very good job on this point.

So far I've not gotten much of a chance to try out N4 to decide if it
is better or worse than NH. Maybe I'll be able to play more later if a
patch comes out to address this problem.

>I haven't tried it yet but thought I'd let you know about what I was
>told on the team-lightspeed.com site. They suggested that the linear
>adjustment needs to be fiddled with. I'll try it a bit later to see if
>that helps.

>>I emailed ACTLAB with the problem, see what they say...........

>>> I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
>>> "slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
>>> to weave all over the road.

>>> >My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive it.

>>> >Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

>>> Thanks,

>>> Skeeter

>>> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
>>> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
>>> - Barry Goldwater

>Thanks,

>Skeeter

>"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
>moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
>- Barry Goldwater

Thanks,

Skeeter

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
- Barry Goldwater

by **Dog-Le** » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:05:47

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Total agreement here.

32 is not high enough of a setting at Dega and Daytona.

-Larry

> Well, I tried adjusting the linearity. I still don't like the way it
> drives. By adjusting the linearity less than 100% it makes the
> steering less sensitive while the wheel is in the center of it's arc.
> But while turning into a corner the wheel starts to get more sensitive
> again due to the way the non-linearity behaves. Yuck.

> It seems to me that it would be much simpler to provide a larger
> range of steering ratios so that the driver could select the setting
> he likes while allowing the wheel to be 100% linear. I don't think
> Papy did a very good job on this point.

> So far I've not gotten much of a chance to try out N4 to decide if it
> is better or worse than NH. Maybe I'll be able to play more later if a
> patch comes out to address this problem.

> >I haven't tried it yet but thought I'd let you know about what I was
> >told on the team-lightspeed.com site. They suggested that the linear
> >adjustment needs to be fiddled with. I'll try it a bit later to see if
> >that helps.

> >>I emailed ACTLAB with the problem, see what they say...........

> >>> I've got the same problem. The steering ratio is set to be the
> >>> "slowest" is can be at 32:1 but my car is very twitchy. This causes me
> >>> to weave all over the road.

> >>> >My FORCE RS seems EXTREMLY loose with NASCAR 4, I can barely drive
it.

> >>> >Anybody else got a Force RS and use it with NASCAR 4??

> >>> Thanks,

> >>> Skeeter

> >>> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> >>> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> >>> - Barry Goldwater

> >Thanks,

> >Skeeter

> >"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> >moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> >- Barry Goldwater

> Thanks,

> Skeeter

> "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and
> moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
> - Barry Goldwater

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