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LWFF replacement pots

Mario Petrinovi

LWFF replacement pots

by Mario Petrinovi » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 20:58:42

        Does anyone know where I can find replecement throttle
(or any other ) pots  for my LWFF. I live in Europe (Croatia ).
And what is the best way to clean the one I have now.
        Thanks in advance.
Steve Blankenshi

LWFF replacement pots

by Steve Blankenshi » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:45:33

CH pots are great quality and plug right into the LWF and LWFF wheels (or pedals).  Not sure whether you need the 100k or 50k, or if
it matters; anyone?

http://www.chproducts.com/shop/parts.html

SB


>         Does anyone know where I can find replecement throttle
> (or any other ) pots  for my LWFF. I live in Europe (Croatia ).
> And what is the best way to clean the one I have now.
>         Thanks in advance.

Mick Fishe

LWFF replacement pots

by Mick Fishe » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:58:30

Hi Mario
    I have recently brought a 3 year old cheapo TM. pot back from the dead.
I am currently using it for the last couple of months and it is functioning
perfectly.  It had suffered from spiking from new.  This is what I did.

Remove the pot from the wheel completely.

Taking note of the orientation of the various parts ( it can be re-assembled
with position of solder lugs upside down), dis-assemble it by bending up
securing tabs.

Meticulously remove all traces of old grease from the tracks and wipers,
don't forget to clean inside top of the can.

With a very FINE grade s***of wet & dry remove all signs of oxidation from
the wipers and metal track till they shine.

The wipers can be slightly bent or a thin shim (about 0.5mm) can be placed
between the wiper carrier and the inside top of the can to improve contact
tension. I cut one from some clear acetate packaging material.  (On
re-assembly you should be able to turn the shaft VERY easily with thumb and
first finger if not then it is too tight.)

Check the solder lugs in case the crimping is loose, tighten if necessary
( careful not to crack if carbon track type)

Fairly liberally coat all the tracks and wipers with fresh grease.  I have
heard Vaseline will do although I used a high melting point, lithium based
automotive grade.

Also grease the shaft and the inside top of the can where it abuts the top
of the wiper carrier.
Keep the grease away from the solder lugs or you will have trouble making
your connections.

Reassemble and refit to wheel.


Mario Petrinovi

LWFF replacement pots

by Mario Petrinovi » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:40:54

        Thanks all very much. I'm sure a lot of people will
use that info.
REDLINE42

LWFF replacement pots

by REDLINE42 » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 04:21:12

Yup, I've done this many times, but....
I find that this is only a short cure to be used when pots are not
available.....
But If tinkering with small electrical parts lights your candle......

BTW, The Medium Grade Thomas Super Wheel Pots (NTE I believe) can be found

stores located in:

Woburn - In the mall north of Staples on Washington St. South of RT128 or
the new name RT95

And in:

Cambridge just across from the street from Best Buy/Sears (North side) down
the road from the Lechmere "T" station (<West of).

They have a variety of OHMage and shaft length, but in stock quantities vary
by store.
he he They should have some, since I'm not around that area anymore.
$6.99 was the last list price that I paid over a year ago, your price may
vary. Still should be cheaper than TSW's $12.00 each, but that includes
shipping so.....

This is an NTE pot, so anywhere that you can get NTE electrical parts should
do.

I've used these pots successfully in a Nascar Pro years ago, both wheel &
pedals.
The pedal pots did require much hacking & filing of the shafts.

IMO NTE pots are better than Radio Shack types, but I still wear them out
pretty fast.
About 1 to 1 1/2 months time.

Has anyone had any experience using the "Plastic Conductive Mil Spec" pots?
like kinds that you can get from DigiKey?  http://www.digikey.com

And does anyone have a good replacement (supplier) for the bungee?
I use to get some good quality (stiff) stuff from a Mountain climbing
supplier, but they have since started stocking a thinner and weaker type. :(
I like a "Stiff" wheel.
People look me funny when I'm testing out bungee's in stores for stiffness.
Why is this? Doesn't everybody race Sims with wheels? LOL

--
R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE  2/25/52 - 7/2/2000

http://www.roadracers.uk.com/legend.htm

Rob Adam

LWFF replacement pots

by Rob Adam » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 04:33:13

Just out of curiosity, how do you wear pots out so fast? I've had my LWFF
for a couple of years now. A couple of months ago I started using CH pedals
instead of the LWFF's, but not because of any problems with the pots. The
wheel seems to be as smooth and spike-free as ever. I've never even opened
the cover much less replaced or cleaned anything...

Are you in a really dusty environment or do you just use the wheel 20 hours
a day?

Rob


David Fletch

LWFF replacement pots

by David Fletch » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:05:40

Steve-

I have the Logitech Wingman Formula (non-FF); perhaps the pots in it
are different than the FF model, but mine do not look like the
standard "round" pots in the picture. The ones in mine are square,
with a little***that drops into a slot to keep the pot from turning.
Is there someway to make the CH pots work like that?

Mario-

My pots start spiking about every 3 months; I take them out and
tediously work some TV Cleaner/Lubricator that's sold by Radio Shack
(I'm not sure; are you in the U.S.?) into the pot and let it dry
thouroughly. It's then good as new until the next time. As far as
purchasing the original pots from Logitech, they claim they are not
available.

Fletch


> CH pots are great quality and plug right into the LWF and LWFF wheels (or pedals).  Not sure whether you need the 100k or 50k, or if
> it matters; anyone?

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> SB


> >         Does anyone know where I can find replecement throttle
> > (or any other ) pots  for my LWFF. I live in Europe (Croatia ).
> > And what is the best way to clean the one I have now.
> >         Thanks in advance.

David Fletch

LWFF replacement pots

by David Fletch » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:10:22

Mario-

Man, do I look like a dummy now; can't believe I missed in your letter
that you were in Croatia. Oh well, it's been a very, very long day....

Anyway, if you just try to find some product like the one I use, it
should work fine. Just don't use ***; it will clean it just fine,
but it has no lubricating qualities, and I believe that's necessary.

Fletch


> CH pots are great quality and plug right into the LWF and LWFF wheels (or pedals).  Not sure whether you need the 100k or 50k, or if
> it matters; anyone?

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> SB


> >         Does anyone know where I can find replecement throttle
> > (or any other ) pots  for my LWFF. I live in Europe (Croatia ).
> > And what is the best way to clean the one I have now.
> >         Thanks in advance.

REDLINE42

LWFF replacement pots

by REDLINE42 » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:15:14

MotoRacer was a start with a Thrustmaster GP1
Castrol Honda Superbike World Champions
AMA SuperBike was next.... Thrustmaster Nascar Pro.
EA's Superbike 2000 was next wheel beater with a lot of Lock to Lock and
heavy use of Throttle & Brake pedal use at the same time, (to stabilize the
lean angle).
EA's Superbike 2001 - same as above.
UbiSoft's F1RS is a real button wear-er-outer, (manual shift only here IMO)
The buttons took the same abuse in the motorcycle Sims, esp. the downshift
button.

Also Nascar 1, 2, 99, 3, Legends, GPL, NFS all titles, GP3

And of course Carmageddon........LOL (the original version, with ***)  :-)

And whatever bargain bin racing Sim I find, heh.

But alas, living in an apartment doesn't allow me to have the proper
workbench for the maintenance of my 3 wheels, so I'm stuck with a cheapo
joystick which is working out pretty well. Except for the tight road
course's, using a joystick throttle is a ***! :-(

someday soon, hopefully.........

--
R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE  2/25/52 - 7/2/2000

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Samuel Senio

LWFF replacement pots

by Samuel Senio » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:30:34



>Just out of curiosity, how do you wear pots out so fast? I've had my LWFF
>for a couple of years now. A couple of months ago I started using CH pedals
>instead of the LWFF's, but not because of any problems with the pots. The
>wheel seems to be as smooth and spike-free as ever. I've never even opened
>the cover much less replaced or cleaned anything...

>Are you in a really dusty environment or do you just use the wheel 20 hours
>a day?

>Rob



>> IMO NTE pots are better than Radio Shack types, but I still wear them out
>> pretty fast.
>> About 1 to 1 1/2 months time.

Hallo,
Be advised: regarding pots, I got a TSW GT three years and three
months ago. I am retired and have time to relentlessly hammer GPL
tracks. I have put at least a  thousand hours into the game. The
original pots continue to perform perfectly. I wonder if they EVER
will go south! The TSW is superb! No spring problems, no nothing
problems. The only problem I ever have is caused by overstressing the
computer. FWIW.
Sam
Mario Petrinovi

LWFF replacement pots

by Mario Petrinovi » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:22:47

        It's OK. Theme is universal and your info will help somebody
else.
        In my part of the world we usually get German products. At
home I have something German called "Kontakt 40", but I'm not
sure if that is the right thing. They say "schutzt vor Korrosion, lost
Rost, verdrangt Wasser, startet nasse Motoren, schmiert und pflegt".
I'll try tomorrow in some electrical store and will be specific.
        The thing that puzzles me is, will it help just to spray the
thing inside the pot, or do I have to dismantle pot and properly
clean it.


Steve Blankenshi

LWFF replacement pots

by Steve Blankenshi » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:23:10

Hmmm....  My own reference point is also a non-force LWF (and the CH pedals I wired up to use with it).  The pots in my LWF look
just like the ones in my CH pedals.  Perhaps a running change (?) as mine's about as old as they come; got it when they first came
out.

SB


> Steve-

> I have the Logitech Wingman Formula (non-FF); perhaps the pots in it
> are different than the FF model, but mine do not look like the
> standard "round" pots in the picture. The ones in mine are square,
> with a little***that drops into a slot to keep the pot from turning.
> Is there someway to make the CH pots work like that?

> Mario-

> My pots start spiking about every 3 months; I take them out and
> tediously work some TV Cleaner/Lubricator that's sold by Radio Shack
> (I'm not sure; are you in the U.S.?) into the pot and let it dry
> thouroughly. It's then good as new until the next time. As far as
> purchasing the original pots from Logitech, they claim they are not
> available.

> Fletch


> > CH pots are great quality and plug right into the LWF and LWFF wheels (or pedals).  Not sure whether you need the 100k or 50k,
or if
> > it matters; anyone?

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > SB


> > >         Does anyone know where I can find replecement throttle
> > > (or any other ) pots  for my LWFF. I live in Europe (Croatia ).
> > > And what is the best way to clean the one I have now.
> > >         Thanks in advance.

don hodgdo

LWFF replacement pots

by don hodgdo » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:15:11

Check out Mike Bay's site for replacement pots for the LWFF:
http://website.lineone.net/~mikebay/MTPots.htm

--
don
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Rafe McAulif

LWFF replacement pots

by Rafe McAulif » Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:58:17

Don't know about those specifically, but I've replaced my pots with
audio grade conductive plastic pots, they are rated to last 4 times
longer than standard cemert pots. So far so good, but I need proper
drivers for Win2000 though :( They seem to be a lot more stable with
no spiking at all.

Rafe Mc

Stephen Smit

LWFF replacement pots

by Stephen Smit » Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:25:14

I have almost 4000 hours in an ECCI w. mil-spec pots.  No probs (except wife
yelling, "Get a LIFE!").




> >Just out of curiosity, how do you wear pots out so fast? I've had my LWFF
> >for a couple of years now. A couple of months ago I started using CH
pedals
> >instead of the LWFF's, but not because of any problems with the pots. The
> >wheel seems to be as smooth and spike-free as ever. I've never even
opened
> >the cover much less replaced or cleaned anything...

> >Are you in a really dusty environment or do you just use the wheel 20
hours
> >a day?

> >Rob



> >> IMO NTE pots are better than Radio Shack types, but I still wear them
out
> >> pretty fast.
> >> About 1 to 1 1/2 months time.

> Hallo,
> Be advised: regarding pots, I got a TSW GT three years and three
> months ago. I am retired and have time to relentlessly hammer GPL
> tracks. I have put at least a  thousand hours into the game. The
> original pots continue to perform perfectly. I wonder if they EVER
> will go south! The TSW is superb! No spring problems, no nothing
> problems. The only problem I ever have is caused by overstressing the
> computer. FWIW.
> Sam


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