rec.autos.simulators

> But as for guidelines, I don't think we'll be any better at ironing this issue
> out than they've been in real life.  Passing situations are so dynamic that the
> moment always takes precedence over the rule.  So I keep it simple.  If I'm
> overtaking, I TRY to do it with the minimum change in my driving line and pace,
> at a spot that leaves the most room for error.  Likewise for being overtaken,
> which usually translates into softpedalling just a touch and EASING off-line on
> a straight, as that disrupts my own laptime the least.  I try not to force
> anyone to pass mid-corner or under heavy braking, as that's most likely to
> cause a crash which may take ME out as well.

> Bottom line; that's just racing!

> Steve B.

> remove "edy" from address for email

>Cheers!
>John

> The suggestion about out-accelerating is a GREAT one... very easily done
> and with minimal time loss, like you say.

> --Dave

> > While I agree with you in that a "lappee" should NEVER try to race the overtaking
> > driver, I disagree about moving over for the faster car.

> > I'd much rather pass a car that stays to the racing line than one that unexpectedly
> > decides to "do me a favor" and pulls off line and slows... There's no way humanly
> > possible to predict just when someone will move over, I'd much rather they hold to
> > their line and let ME decide when to go around.

> > By the same token, when I'm being lapped, I'll hold to the line, and when the
> > overtaker gets close I'll let him out accelerate me out of a corner. I lose minimal
> > time that way, and the overtaker gets a clean pass on a straight.

> > Trips

> > > I disagree here. I see letting a lapper through as soon as possible as a prime
> > > directive. It's largely because so many drivers don't get out of the way that
> > > the lappers are now used to pulling off line to overtake. It is also why so many
> > > accidents happen when the lappee actually does the right thing and moves aside.
> > > You usually get the blue well before they are right on top of your gear box
> > > which gives you time to get out of their way before you they are committed to
> > > having to switch lines to pass you. On a straight, you should pull off line at
> > > full tilt and, provided that they have not done the same, ease off the throttle
> > > to let them pass without getting out of their stride. On a corner where you can
> > > run wide safely, do so, but otherwise on exit run inside the racing line hugging
> > > the inside of the corner so that they can take the natural exit and not lose any
> > > speed. If necessary move off the track. Under NO circumstances should a lappe
> > > race the lapper as has often happened to me.
> > > If everyone followed this etiquette then the lapper would never deviate from
> > > his/her line and the only person to lose time would be the lappee - which is how
> > > it should be. There would also be fewer accidents since both parties would know
> > > the form.
> > > It is often the case that, through accidents and the like, that the lapper is
> > > only a little bit faster than the lappee and if lappees continue to drive their
> > > own sweet race, then the lapper can be held up for a long time or else cause an
> > > accident by attempting a crazy manoeuvre born out of frustration. It's only a
> > > pity that GPL doesn't give blue flag infringements a stop/go penalty for
> > > ignoring 4 blues as happens in modern Formula 1.
> > > I say all this from a the point of view of someone who is lapped more often than
> > > he is lapped. However it is so frustrating when people carry on through blue
> > > flags just as if it were a member of the crowd waving support.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Paul

> --
> Dave Schwabe
> The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

> I always run my mirrors on cars-only; it doesn't look as spiffy, but it lets me
> pick out cars behind me MUCH better.  You can even see through walls!  They
> could be a bit wider, though; it's true.

> Steve B.

> >I wish Racing Sim programers would widen the mirror a
> >bit more so we wouldn't have to guess where the next guy was.

> remove "edy" from address for email

> >Well you still have the initials, and with the car type and helmet
> >color visible it's usually not too hard to figure out if the message
> >came from the driver in front of you or not.

> You can tell which car the message came from easily, it's the one that just
> drove off the road because he was trying to type a message.

> Don McCorkle
> Libertarian Motorsports

> On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:03:37 +0200, Tadej Krevh

> >I have to disagree here again :o)
> >Do you really expect the driver infront of you, exiting the corner slower then he used to
> >do ?
> >Plus, if you slow down before the straight, you loose a lot more time comparing to lapper
> >out-brake you.
> >It's better to lift slightly on the straight or lifting 1sec before the braking zone.
> >I think this is the least amount of danger for both drivers.

> There is no right or wrong for this issue. In the situation you
> describe above (lifting before braking zone) some drivers may already
> be panicking thinking you're not going to let them through. They go
> too deep, out of control and take you off. Either you're out of the
> race or lose WAY more time than a simple exit lift would cost.

> Each situation has to be decided on its own merits.

> Cheers!
> John

> I have to disagree here again :o)

> Do you really expect the driver infront of you, exiting the corner slower then he used to
> do ?
> Plus, if you slow down before the straight, you loose a lot more time comparing to lapper
> out-brake
> you.

> It's better to lift slightly on the straight or lifting 1sec before the braking zone.
> I think this is the least amount of danger for both drivers.

> Just my $0.02,
> Tadej

> > Trips,

> > The suggestion about out-accelerating is a GREAT one... very easily done
> > and with minimal time loss, like you say.

> > --Dave

> > > While I agree with you in that a "lappee" should NEVER try to race the overtaking
> > > driver, I disagree about moving over for the faster car.

> > > I'd much rather pass a car that stays to the racing line than one that unexpectedly
> > > decides to "do me a favor" and pulls off line and slows... There's no way humanly
> > > possible to predict just when someone will move over, I'd much rather they hold to
> > > their line and let ME decide when to go around.

> > > By the same token, when I'm being lapped, I'll hold to the line, and when the
> > > overtaker gets close I'll let him out accelerate me out of a corner. I lose minimal
> > > time that way, and the overtaker gets a clean pass on a straight.

> > > Trips

> > > > I disagree here. I see letting a lapper through as soon as possible as a prime
> > > > directive. It's largely because so many drivers don't get out of the way that
> > > > the lappers are now used to pulling off line to overtake. It is also why so many
> > > > accidents happen when the lappee actually does the right thing and moves aside.
> > > > You usually get the blue well before they are right on top of your gear box
> > > > which gives you time to get out of their way before you they are committed to
> > > > having to switch lines to pass you. On a straight, you should pull off line at
> > > > full tilt and, provided that they have not done the same, ease off the throttle
> > > > to let them pass without getting out of their stride. On a corner where you can
> > > > run wide safely, do so, but otherwise on exit run inside the racing line hugging
> > > > the inside of the corner so that they can take the natural exit and not lose any
> > > > speed. If necessary move off the track. Under NO circumstances should a lappe
> > > > race the lapper as has often happened to me.
> > > > If everyone followed this etiquette then the lapper would never deviate from
> > > > his/her line and the only person to lose time would be the lappee - which is how
> > > > it should be. There would also be fewer accidents since both parties would know
> > > > the form.
> > > > It is often the case that, through accidents and the like, that the lapper is
> > > > only a little bit faster than the lappee and if lappees continue to drive their
> > > > own sweet race, then the lapper can be held up for a long time or else cause an
> > > > accident by attempting a crazy manoeuvre born out of frustration. It's only a
> > > > pity that GPL doesn't give blue flag infringements a stop/go penalty for
> > > > ignoring 4 blues as happens in modern Formula 1.
> > > > I say all this from a the point of view of someone who is lapped more often than
> > > > he is lapped. However it is so frustrating when people carry on through blue
> > > > flags just as if it were a member of the crowd waving support.
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Paul

> > --
> > Dave Schwabe
> > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe