you can only change your position once, I mean you can't go left right left
right all the straight ... I use this for GP2 racing with my friends
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>Darren
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The above scenario works well when the driver behind you is pretty
competent, but quite often I find myself in the same situation and
braking absolutely as late as I possibly can, because I know from the
demeanour of the driver behind that they're going to try a massive
outbraking maneouvre, outbrake me AND themselves and slide both of us
off the track - certainly a lift would take them totally by surprise.
How to lap and be lapped depends upon the urgency of lapper and
"lappee", ability and perceived ability of each, track location, cars
involved etc etc etc - way too complex to pin down to rules beyond
rudimentary guidelines.
Precisely. Anyone who doesn't back off in such a situation and let the
lapping car through is well out of order in my estimation. Not letting
a lapping car through is a pretty poor show, but actively racing them
and slamming the door on a well-communicated passing move is about the
cardinal sin as far as racing is concerned (well, except pushing your
team-mate into the weeds...!).
The worst part is that in such a situation the lapped car will learn
relatively little from the experience of taking both cars out - okay,
he'll lose time, but then he had far less to lose anyway.
Cheers!
John
% >The blue flags being waved in my general direction are usually a good
% >indication.....
% >
% But you get the blue flag whether you're being lapped or just being passed for
% position. So, you STILL don't know who the pursuing car is...
Only under "practice" sessions. During the race you are only presented
a blue flag if you are being closely pursued by a car that is going to
lap you. (There are very rare occasions, due to a clock smash, where
you may be presented a bogus blue flag while racing).
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> >1) Faster car behind me... racing for position.
> >2) Faster car behind me... lapping me.
> How can you tell?
Dave Ewing
Mark
>Jesse
>|So you're gaining on me down the front straight at Monza... approaching
>Curva
>|Grande, you see "Pass Right" flash on screen. How do you determine if I
>sent
>|that, or if someone else is telling the car behind HIM to pass at some
>other
>|portion of the track?
>|
>|Trips
>|
>|
>|> There will always be disagreements and grey areas when we discuss this
>|> topic. The only constructive way that would resolve this issue IMO would
>|> involve a patch. Assign two hot keys to text messages. I.E. Pass left
and
>|> Pass right. So simple I must be a genius :-)
>|
Seriously, I think judgment, good or bad, is all we can rely on. As nice
as it would be to have an easy solution, some of us VROCers will always
be predictable and easy to deal with, and some of us will be... well, a
bit dodgy.
It is racing, after all, and accidents will happen. (hey, I sound like
Elvis Costello, here) I think the best thing for people to do is not
weave and block down the straights... everything else will sort itself
out.
--dave
> Of course, just like anything else, common sense would prevail. You
> wouldn't be able to use this idea at the first corner of the start of a race
> either. I was suggesting a method for communicating intentions where a
> simple one to one scenario was present. Maybe I never made that absolutely
> clear or maybe some people need it spelling out to them :-)
> Mark
> >Yes and what about this scenario. You have 3 people in line. The guy in
> >front just blew up, the guy 2nd is being lapped by the guy 3rd in line.
> The
> >guy in 2nd sees a pass right and a pass left. Which one goes to the guy
> >saying to PASS him since he blew up, and which one sent the message saying
> >he was going to pass the guy 2nd in line on a certain side? You get into
> >all of these debates which would be tough to figure out the right way to
> >work it all.
> >Jesse
> >|So you're gaining on me down the front straight at Monza... approaching
> >Curva
> >|Grande, you see "Pass Right" flash on screen. How do you determine if I
> >sent
> >|that, or if someone else is telling the car behind HIM to pass at some
> >other
> >|portion of the track?
> >|
> >|Trips
> >|
> >|
> >|> There will always be disagreements and grey areas when we discuss this
> >|> topic. The only constructive way that would resolve this issue IMO would
> >|> involve a patch. Assign two hot keys to text messages. I.E. Pass left
> and
> >|> Pass right. So simple I must be a genius :-)
> >|
--Dave
> To me, blocking is moving in front of someone on a straight. In turns, the
> driver in front can choose any line he wishes and it can not be considered
> blocking. Of course I am flexible in VROC races, since there's always some
> bozo behind me that thinks he somehow deserves better than he was in
> qualifying and subsequently wants to take over the whole field in the
> first lap.
> --
> Anssi Lehtinen
Cheers!
John
Eric
My 2 cents
--Dave
> Remember you'd also see the initials and car number of the driver who
> sent the message.
> Eric
> > So you're gaining on me down the front straight at Monza...
> approaching Curva
> > Grande, you see "Pass Right" flash on screen. How do you determine
> if I sent
> > that, or if someone else is telling the car behind HIM to pass at
> some other
> > portion of the track?
Eric
Trips
> Eric
> > So you're gaining on me down the front straight at Monza...
> approaching Curva
> > Grande, you see "Pass Right" flash on screen. How do you determine
> if I sent
> > that, or if someone else is telling the car behind HIM to pass at
> some other
> > portion of the track?