rec.autos.simulators

USB Sound for Sims

Haqsa

USB Sound for Sims

by Haqsa » Fri, 02 Jan 2004 07:34:44

Anybody using USB sound to play sims?  I'm in need of a new audio adapter
and I saw some good deals on external USB units.  I would like to know if it
sounds good with games and if there is a performance hit vs. something like
an Audigy 2.
Steve Smit

USB Sound for Sims

by Steve Smit » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 00:06:58

There's gotta be a performance hit vs. an Audigy 2 (lowest processor
occupancy of all sound cards, I think) in a PCI slot, altho maybe not w. USB
2.0 (and AFAIK, there are *two* USB 2.0 stds., fast and faster, aren't
there?)


Phanto

USB Sound for Sims

by Phanto » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 14:35:05

I tried an Audigy USB 2.0 device, and the latency was abysmally bad.

Then I tried an Audigy PCI card which also provided connections to a front
panel that mounts in a drive bay, and It works beautifully. The front panel
is nice because it has mic/line inputs and level control knob, headphone
jack, Midi in/out, firewire input, RCA type input jacks, optical in & out,
and SPDIF in & out. It also has an infra-red remote control device.

In a nutshell, I find this to be a fine unit which allows me to record
digital audio (several guitars, drums, keyboards, and anything else I want
to throw in there) in Cakewalk "Sonar" with perfect results. I highly
recommend it. Hope that helps.

Brian


Eldre

USB Sound for Sims

by Eldre » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 15:18:17



>In a nutshell, I find this to be a fine unit which allows me to record
>digital audio (several guitars, drums, keyboards, and anything else I want
>to throw in there) in Cakewalk "Sonar" with perfect results. I highly
>recommend it. Hope that helps.

How did you connect your instruments to the computer?  I have an Audigy in a
second system, and have been unable to get it to record anything... :-(

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Phanto

USB Sound for Sims

by Phanto » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:40:37

Well, as I mentioned, mine came with a front panel which has a 1/4 inch
input jack. Yep, you read that right, 1/4 inch. I can just plug in a guitar
directly and record if I want, but I usually run through an effects box
first.

You must have a standard card without the front panel. In that case, you
need to purchase an adaptor at radio shack which will convert your 1/4"
instrument plug down to 1/8".

You have at least two 1/8" input jacks on your card. One is called "Line In"
and one is called "Mic In". If you are just plugging a guitar into the card,
you need to use "Mic In" because this input is much more sensitive than
"Line In" and a guitar signal is extremely weak. For the best
signal-to-noise ratio, you would plug into a pre-amp first, then into the
"Line In" input. Line In is for strong signals (usually instruments that are
pre-amped) and Mic In is for weak signals (like microphones and guitars).

The Mic In on most sound cards is considerably noisier than the Line In.

If you have any more specific questions I'll be happy to help. You can ask
here or you can e-mail me directly.

Hope I'm not confusing you!

Brian




> >In a nutshell, I find this to be a fine unit which allows me to record
> >digital audio (several guitars, drums, keyboards, and anything else I
want
> >to throw in there) in Cakewalk "Sonar" with perfect results. I highly
> >recommend it. Hope that helps.

> How did you connect your instruments to the computer?  I have an Audigy in
a
> second system, and have been unable to get it to record anything... :-(

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Haqsa

USB Sound for Sims

by Haqsa » Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:09:31

On paper the Audigy 2 Platinum Pro is the card I want and I would just run
out and get one if it wasn't for the fact that I have been burned by
Creative before.  I bought a SB Live about 2 years after it was introduced.
Not once during that entire time do I remember hearing anything bad about
that card.  But shortly after I got it I found some things didn't work
right, and a little research revealed that the hardware acceleration was
actually hardware deceleration and you had to turn it off to get the card to
work properly.  Why then did I never hear anything bad about the card for
the preceding 2 years?  All the articles and reviews I ever saw on it swore
it was the greatest sound card ever.  So I am very leary about getting a new
Creative product.  Everybody says the Audigys are great.  Hmm, I've heard
that before.  Supposedly it has the lowest CPU utilization and I do want a
card with either front panel connectors or a break out box, but I need to be
convinced that there aren't any hidden problems.  Are you running games with
full hardware sound and EAX acceleration?  Are you running XP?  What games
do you run?  What type of computer do you have it on (Intel or AMD)?  Not
trying to pick at you, I just want to be sure that this card will work in my
setup.  Thanks for any info you can give.


Mitch_

USB Sound for Sims

by Mitch_ » Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:39:30

Ive had the Audigy 2 for a year or so.  I like the hardware but Creative has about the most***poor software developers in the biz and complete lack of support.  Hey Harvey Fong ..I..

They released a beta driver in June that was set to expire in August.  Rather than release a final version before Aug they just let everyone foolish enough to use this driver time out.  Worst part was you couldnt re-install the origianl drivers or remove the beta driver.  I ended up having to miss a RASCAR race because I was re-installing XP the morning of the expiration.  Since then there was an official release that has worked well but getting here was HELL.

Mitch

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:09:31 -0500


> On paper the Audigy 2 Platinum Pro is the card I want and I would just run
> out and get one if it wasn't for the fact that I have been burned by
> Creative before.  I bought a SB Live about 2 years after it was introduced.
> Not once during that entire time do I remember hearing anything bad about
> that card.  But shortly after I got it I found some things didn't work
> right, and a little research revealed that the hardware acceleration was
> actually hardware deceleration and you had to turn it off to get the card to
> work properly.  Why then did I never hear anything bad about the card for
> the preceding 2 years?  All the articles and reviews I ever saw on it swore
> it was the greatest sound card ever.  So I am very leary about getting a new
> Creative product.  Everybody says the Audigys are great.  Hmm, I've heard
> that before.  Supposedly it has the lowest CPU utilization and I do want a
> card with either front panel connectors or a break out box, but I need to be
> convinced that there aren't any hidden problems.  Are you running games with
> full hardware sound and EAX acceleration?  Are you running XP?  What games
> do you run?  What type of computer do you have it on (Intel or AMD)?  Not
> trying to pick at you, I just want to be sure that this card will work in my
> setup.  Thanks for any info you can give.

Steve Smit

USB Sound for Sims

by Steve Smit » Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:45:56

Same thing happened when the Audigy came out: nary a discouraging word was
heard until the Audigy *2* appeared, THEN the hitherto silent naysayers
crawled outta the woodwork to say how awful the original Audigy was.

I bought an Audigy 2 Plat. and have been quite happy with it (WinME, 1.3-GHz
Athlon, Logi Z-680; FPSs, flight sims, no driving games, gfx & foto s/w),
altho I haven't used the front panel for any musical instruments; only a
Plantronics headset w. mic for use w. Teamspeak.


> On paper the Audigy 2 Platinum Pro is the card I want and I would just run
> out and get one if it wasn't for the fact that I have been burned by
> Creative before.  I bought a SB Live about 2 years after it was
introduced.
> Not once during that entire time do I remember hearing anything bad about
> that card.  But shortly after I got it I found some things didn't work
> right, and a little research revealed that the hardware acceleration was
> actually hardware deceleration and you had to turn it off to get the card
to
> work properly.  Why then did I never hear anything bad about the card for
> the preceding 2 years?  All the articles and reviews I ever saw on it
swore
> it was the greatest sound card ever.  So I am very leary about getting a
new
> Creative product.  Everybody says the Audigys are great.  Hmm, I've heard
> that before.  Supposedly it has the lowest CPU utilization and I do want a
> card with either front panel connectors or a break out box, but I need to
be
> convinced that there aren't any hidden problems.  Are you running games
with
> full hardware sound and EAX acceleration?  Are you running XP?  What games
> do you run?  What type of computer do you have it on (Intel or AMD)?  Not
> trying to pick at you, I just want to be sure that this card will work in
my
> setup.  Thanks for any info you can give.



> > I tried an Audigy USB 2.0 device, and the latency was abysmally bad.

> > Then I tried an Audigy PCI card which also provided connections to a
front
> > panel that mounts in a drive bay, and It works beautifully. The front
> panel
> > is nice because it has mic/line inputs and level control knob, headphone
> > jack, Midi in/out, firewire input, RCA type input jacks, optical in &
out,
> > and SPDIF in & out. It also has an infra-red remote control device.

> > In a nutshell, I find this to be a fine unit which allows me to record
> > digital audio (several guitars, drums, keyboards, and anything else I
want
> > to throw in there) in Cakewalk "Sonar" with perfect results. I highly
> > recommend it. Hope that helps.

> > Brian

Steve Smit

USB Sound for Sims

by Steve Smit » Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:49:58

Forgot to mention: I've learned from past experience to never, *ever*
install at that GIGO s/w that comes w. Creative h/w.  Just the drivers.  If
you need some music processing s/w, go to a 3rd party (there are some quite
good freeware pgms. avail., according to my musician friends).


> On paper the Audigy 2 Platinum Pro is the card I want and I would just run
> out and get one if it wasn't for the fact that I have been burned by
> Creative before.  I bought a SB Live about 2 years after it was
introduced.
> Not once during that entire time do I remember hearing anything bad about
> that card.  But shortly after I got it I found some things didn't work
> right, and a little research revealed that the hardware acceleration was
> actually hardware deceleration and you had to turn it off to get the card
to
> work properly.  Why then did I never hear anything bad about the card for
> the preceding 2 years?  All the articles and reviews I ever saw on it
swore
> it was the greatest sound card ever.  So I am very leary about getting a
new
> Creative product.  Everybody says the Audigys are great.  Hmm, I've heard
> that before.  Supposedly it has the lowest CPU utilization and I do want a
> card with either front panel connectors or a break out box, but I need to
be
> convinced that there aren't any hidden problems.  Are you running games
with
> full hardware sound and EAX acceleration?  Are you running XP?  What games
> do you run?  What type of computer do you have it on (Intel or AMD)?  Not
> trying to pick at you, I just want to be sure that this card will work in
my
> setup.  Thanks for any info you can give.



> > I tried an Audigy USB 2.0 device, and the latency was abysmally bad.

> > Then I tried an Audigy PCI card which also provided connections to a
front
> > panel that mounts in a drive bay, and It works beautifully. The front
> panel
> > is nice because it has mic/line inputs and level control knob, headphone
> > jack, Midi in/out, firewire input, RCA type input jacks, optical in &
out,
> > and SPDIF in & out. It also has an infra-red remote control device.

> > In a nutshell, I find this to be a fine unit which allows me to record
> > digital audio (several guitars, drums, keyboards, and anything else I
want
> > to throw in there) in Cakewalk "Sonar" with perfect results. I highly
> > recommend it. Hope that helps.

> > Brian

Schoone

USB Sound for Sims

by Schoone » Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:50:28

Ya CL seems to have a good team of "trolls" and "fanboys" that keep the
noise level high to cover up those that report troubles.  Harvey F certainly
has a big fan club in the support NG.  God forbid you raise an issue wit ha
CL product, you certainly will feel the wrath of the supporters and be
quickly run out of town.

CL is only seen as good as there are few alternatives.  I personally am no
fan of the Audigy 1 but use it since its about the only solution.  You just
have to get use to poor drivers, software, lack of support, and the typical
CL pops and crackles.


has about the most***poor software developers in the biz and complete
lack of support.  Hey Harvey Fong ..I..
Rather than release a final version before Aug they just let everyone
foolish enough to use this driver time out.  Worst part was you couldnt
re-install the origianl drivers or remove the beta driver.  I ended up
having to miss a RASCAR race because I was re-installing XP the morning of
the expiration.  Since then there was an official release that has worked
well but getting here was HELL.

> Mitch

> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:09:31 -0500

> > On paper the Audigy 2 Platinum Pro is the card I want and I would just
run
> > out and get one if it wasn't for the fact that I have been burned by
> > Creative before.  I bought a SB Live about 2 years after it was
introduced.
> > Not once during that entire time do I remember hearing anything bad
about
> > that card.  But shortly after I got it I found some things didn't work
> > right, and a little research revealed that the hardware acceleration was
> > actually hardware deceleration and you had to turn it off to get the
card to
> > work properly.  Why then did I never hear anything bad about the card
for
> > the preceding 2 years?  All the articles and reviews I ever saw on it
swore
> > it was the greatest sound card ever.  So I am very leary about getting a
new
> > Creative product.  Everybody says the Audigys are great.  Hmm, I've
heard
> > that before.  Supposedly it has the lowest CPU utilization and I do want
a
> > card with either front panel connectors or a break out box, but I need
to be
> > convinced that there aren't any hidden problems.  Are you running games
with
> > full hardware sound and EAX acceleration?  Are you running XP?  What
games
> > do you run?  What type of computer do you have it on (Intel or AMD)?
Not
> > trying to pick at you, I just want to be sure that this card will work
in my
> > setup.  Thanks for any info you can give.


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