rec.autos.simulators

> > They cheapo' ed out and hired a bunch of East Block Countries engineers
> and
> > Techs.  Look at the credits at the end.

> I have no intention of buying it because I am not into that era of racing
> :-)

> Plus it is probably just N3 with 1969 cars.

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> > Junk!!!!

> > Crash

> At this point, I find Nascar Racing 3 not only completely un-enjoyable at
> this point, but borderline defective.

> At first, I was enamored at the nice graphics, smoke, slight physics
> improvements, etc...  But, after playing it for a few months, I am
> thoroughly disappointed.  The honeymoon is over.

> N3 has so many problems I don't even know where to start.

> 1.  The AI is incredibly stupid.  It seems smart at first, but after so
> getting wrecked out so many times by cars just swerving down from the top
> grove right in to you, slamming on brakes for no reason whatsoever, etc... I
> am no longer impressed by the AI.

> 2.  Graphics stutter in the corners.  A PC with 128MB RAM, a TNT2 Card, and
> a 450Mhz processor should not be seeing this.

> 3.  Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.  Except in Nascar Racing 3.
> What _is_ it with that car wobble?

> 4.  Double-File restarts don't work.  I have YET to see double file restarts
> actually work.

> 5.  Multi-Player.  So many problems here, I won't go in to them all.  Some
> of it Papyrus can't fix, like bone-head drivers, bad connections, etc...
> But, there should be SOME way for the system to keep track of race hosts
> that cancel races before they are done, and if it reaches a certain
> threshhold, that person cannot start any races for a certain period of time.
> I am SO tired of race hosts getting damaged, and then "taking their ball and
> going home" by canceling the race in mid-race.  Multi-Player won't be
> useable until we have dedicated servers again, like we did with NROS.
> Period.  Yes, I know about the beta...  I'm not convinced it is the answer,
> though.  DEDICATED servers like TEN are the answer, and that's what we
> really need to push for.

> 6.  Force Feedback.  I know that some here think it's great.  I think it
> sucks.  I find it very unrealistic and to me it does nothing but slow down
> my reaction time because of the excessive latency it adds.

> 7.  Did I mention the kamakazi AI?

> 8.  Run races without yellow flags offlline?  Not if you want to finish a
> race without the track being blocked permanently.  This seems to be the
> worst at Bristol.  Have a big pile-up without yellows on, and the wrecked
> cars, dozens of them, will just sit in the middle of the track and go no
> where.  This is a new problem with N3.

> There's a lot more, and I'm sure that most of this has already been
> mentioned, but I had to put my 2 cents worth in.

> And, no.  While I do play GPL, I don't think it's the Messia of Racing Sims,
> so don't even go there...

> Thany you :)

> -Larry

> > At this point, I find Nascar Racing 3 not only completely un-enjoyable
at
> > this point, but borderline defective.

> > At first, I was enamored at the nice graphics, smoke, slight physics
> > improvements, etc...  But, after playing it for a few months, I am
> > thoroughly disappointed.  The honeymoon is over.

> > N3 has so many problems I don't even know where to start.

> > 1.  The AI is incredibly stupid.  It seems smart at first, but after so
> > getting wrecked out so many times by cars just swerving down from the
top
> > grove right in to you, slamming on brakes for no reason whatsoever,
etc...
> I
> > am no longer impressed by the AI.

> I haven't had the above problem at all. In fact the swerving down thing
> you describe is seen many times in a real race as drivers "slam the
> door". I thought that was one improvement :-)

> > 2.  Graphics stutter in the corners.  A PC with 128MB RAM, a TNT2 Card,
> and
> > a 450Mhz processor should not be seeing this.

> I don't have this problem at all. But then again I have the same CPU and
> RAM with a 12MB Voodoo2 card. It could make a difference. I think the
> graphics and speed are superb. What FF wheel do you have? It could be
> affecting your framerate.

> > 3.  Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.  Except in Nascar Racing 3.
> > What _is_ it with that car wobble?

> I agree. I am not exactly buying the "maxed out AI" excuse either. At
> first I thought it was cool because the AI was trying to block you and
> dart in front of you. But the more I look at it, it seems like defective
> programming :-)

> > 4.  Double-File restarts don't work.  I have YET to see double file
> restarts
> > actually work.

> No kidding. This is especially gauling since the problem was there
> in N2/NR1999. They never even tried to fix it IMHO. N3 just added
> support for FF wheels and better graphics.

> > 5.  Multi-Player.  So many problems here, I won't go in to them all.
Some
> > of it Papyrus can't fix, like bone-head drivers, bad connections, etc...
> > But, there should be SOME way for the system to keep track of race hosts
> > that cancel races before they are done, and if it reaches a certain
> > threshhold, that person cannot start any races for a certain period of
> time.
> > I am SO tired of race hosts getting damaged, and then "taking their ball
> and
> > going home" by canceling the race in mid-race.  Multi-Player won't be
> > useable until we have dedicated servers again, like we did with NROS.
> > Period.  Yes, I know about the beta...  I'm not convinced it is the
> answer,
> > though.  DEDICATED servers like TEN are the answer, and that's what we
> > really need to push for.

> I'm sorry to say I haven't done multiplayer at all yet. But from what I
hear
> it is not that great. My "racin buddy" has N3 but we haven't tried online
> yet.
> I think we are both hesitant about the TCP/IP only multiplay option. What
> we want it to do modem/modem play just like N2/NR1999. This used
> to be a blast. Now by forcing us to use our ISP connection and do a
> TCP/IP race is a total hassle. And when we do try it, it better work just
> like N2/NR1999.

> > 6.  Force Feedback.  I know that some here think it's great.  I think it
> > sucks.  I find it very unrealistic and to me it does nothing but slow
down
> > my reaction time because of the excessive latency it adds.

> As you probably know, I am about the only one here that really likes the
FF
> in N3. I don't have any latency problems or other problems. Everything is
> solid and smooth, and you can really feel when you good buddy slams into
> you. I especially like the bump you feel as you get close to the rear
bumper
> of the car in front of you. IMHO this is what Nascar racing is all about
:-)
> I can also feel the front tires losing grip in turns. The sensation is
light
> but it is definately there. Remember the Winston Cup cars have power
> steering.

> > 7.  Did I mention the kamakazi AI?

> > 8.  Run races without yellow flags offlline?  Not if you want to finish
a
> > race without the track being blocked permanently.  This seems to be the
> > worst at Bristol.  Have a big pile-up without yellows on, and the
wrecked
> > cars, dozens of them, will just sit in the middle of the track and go no
> > where.  This is a new problem with N3.

> Bummer.

> > There's a lot more, and I'm sure that most of this has already been
> > mentioned, but I had to put my 2 cents worth in.

> > And, no.  While I do play GPL, I don't think it's the Messia of Racing
> Sims,
> > so don't even go there...

> > Thany you :)

> Well I agree with about 50% of your issues with N3 :-)

> About 2 months ago I wrote a N3 review and submitted it to CGW. They
> apparently don't want it so I will probably post it here shortly :-)

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> > -Larry

> If you think N3 is crap, donate your copy to someone who will enjoy it
> and
> go back to GPL.

> Many of us don't think it's crap, we understand that it doesn't have
> the GPL
> engine, and we knew this before we bought it.

> We enjoy Nascar racing, and currently N3 is the best in the business.

> Personally, I like the vastly improved graphics and graphics
> performance,
> the improved AI, and the slightly improved physics.  I think it was
> worth
> every penny I paid for it.

> Papy has done an amazing job here.  They really have.

> I guess you missed:

> 1.  The highly upraded, and much smarter, AI.
> 2.  The vastly improved sounds.
> 3.  Graphics that the older versions can't compare to.
> 4.  Video performance that completely blows away the previous
> versions.
> 5.  Online play that, while certainly not TEN quality, is very well
> integrated and easy to use.

> IMHO, Nascar Racing 3 is the _first_ upgraded release of the series
> since
> the first N2 that can truly be called an upgrade.  This is no whimpy
> Nascar
> 1999.   This is an honest-to-goodness upgrade that improves nearly
> every
> facet of the simulation.

> Graphics
> ---------
> I simply have to start here.  This version brings Nascar Revolution
> Eye-Candy, without the down-side.  There simply is NO down-side.

> I have every single option turned on and set to it's highest setting.
> 1024X768.  16 Bit Color.  Full 40 car field, with all cars visible
> front and
> back.  All sounds set to their best quality.  All textures on.  Full
> track
> visibility.  Absolutely everything turned on at it's highest setting.

> I had absolutely no frame-rate problems at all.  Most amazing, I had
> NO
> popup's at all.  Not at any track I tested, including Talladega and
> Bristol,
> the two worst tracks for this sort of thing.

> The translucent smoke and persistant skid-marks are really cool.  Even
> more
> important, I had no frame-rate 'clogs' during periods of heavy smoke.

> The realism of the smoke and skids is really something.  If you get
> behind
> someone with a smoking tire or engine, it actually hinders your
> visibility
> just like it should.  If there is a big pile-up, you drive into a
> blinding
> floating cloud of smoke, just like you should.

> I cannot overstate how impressed I am with the quality, realism, and
> performance of the graphics.  Papy has done what is seemingly
> impossible
> here.

> Personally, I think this is the simulation that future games will be
> measured against when it comes to graphics quality, realism and most
> importantly performance.

> I can deal with the 2D Cockpit.  It is such a huge improvement over
> N2/99
> that I don't care there aren't shadows on the gauges from the needles.
> Even
> the mirrors work right now!  Finally :)

> Mental note - I'm a registered NRHQ user... Must check the web site
> for an
> update that works with N3.

> Physics
> -------
> No bones about it.  There is a huge improvement here as well.  While
> it is
> the N2 engine, it is not the _same_ N2 engine.  The handling of the
> car is
> much more realistic to me.  Changes in setup work like you think they
> will
> (finally).

> A couple of things I notice that I've never seen before.  First, if
> you tap
> a car in the rear quarter, you aren't automatically spun out like you
> tended
> to be in N2.  N2 would snap-spin you in a heartbeat.  N3 will make
> your car
> react much like you would expect it to.  Anything from a mild bobble,
> to a
> full spin.

> Speaking of bobble's, the car's do it now.  Instead of just 'wiggling'
> when
> you tap them, you can see realistic body roll along with the wiggle.

> Secondly, it's interesting to watch the relationship of the cars
> compared to
> the painted lines on the track.  If a car is loose, you can actually
> _see_
> that it is loose.  The rear of the car will visibly be drifted out
> further
> from the line than the front of the car.  The little whif of smoke you
> see
> from tires is a good indication as well :)  In N2/99, the cars were
> always
> square to the line as they went around the track, whether they were
> loose or
> not.

> There was more attention to detail here than I expected, and I think
> most
> will be very happy with the improvements in the physics.

> Oh, the realistic 'tire hop' when accellerating from a stand-still and
> spinning the tires is pretty cool too :)

> AI
> --
> Wow!

> For the first time, it feels like you are actually racing skilled
> drivers
> instead of brain-dead robots!  It's funny, but Dale Earnhardt did a
> tap-and-pass on me at Bristol in one race.  LOL :)

> The drivers draft properly.  They will take advantage of _any_
> mis-step you
> have.  They don't come down on you in the corners like they did in
> NR1999.
> This was actually quite horrible in NR1999.  Even worse than N2, IMHO.
> This
> has been nearly completely corrected in N3.

> I actually did some FOUR wide racing at Talladega.  As long as _you_
> are up
> to it, _they_ are up to it.  These guys really race with some good old
> fashioned common sense now.  Well, most of the time. I did have one
> bone-head at Dega come from the outer lane and swerve down in front of
> me to
> enter the pits.  It happens in real racing, so I guess it's part of
> the deal
> :)

> I could swear I got bump-drafted once at Dega...

> Sound
> ------
> I don't have 3D sound, but the sounds in N3 are much, much improved.
> It
> actually sounds like a race car now.  Tire squeel, impacts, etc... all
> sound
> much like the real thing now.  You can actually hear squeel's leading
> up to
> impacts :)

> Installation, etc...
> -----------------
> No issues here.

> It plays without the CD!!!

> Interface
> ---------
> Plenty familiar, but improved.  I like it.

> Force-Feedback
> -----------------
> It feels a little weak to me.  However, I suspect there is a setting
> buried
> somewhere that will eventually be uncovered to tweak this.

> Why don't game manufacturer's supply customized profile files for the
> most
> popular wheels/joysticks, such as the MSFFW and others?

> Other than the somewhat-weak Force-Feedback, I find it hard to
> complain
> about this game.  It is the _first_ Nxxx upgrade since the original N2
> that
> I feel good about paying for.

> "Larry" <NoJunkM...@MyHouse.Com> wrote in message
> news:ynSZ3.135$4F5.6862@typhoon.southeast.rr.com...
> > This may ruffle some feathers here, but...

> > At this point, I find Nascar Racing 3 not only completely
> un-enjoyable at
> > this point, but borderline defective.

> > At first, I was enamored at the nice graphics, smoke, slight physics
> > improvements, etc...  But, after playing it for a few months, I am
> > thoroughly disappointed.  The honeymoon is over.

> > N3 has so many problems I don't even know where to start.

> > 1.  The AI is incredibly stupid.  It seems smart at first, but after
> so
> > getting wrecked out so many times by cars just swerving down from
> the top
> > grove right in to you, slamming on brakes for no reason whatsoever,
> etc... I
> > am no longer impressed by the AI.

> > 2.  Graphics stutter in the corners.  A PC with 128MB RAM, a TNT2
> Card, and
> > a 450Mhz processor should not be seeing this.

> > 3.  Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.  Except in Nascar
> Racing 3.
> > What _is_ it with that car wobble?

> > 4.  Double-File restarts don't work.  I have YET to see double file
> restarts
> > actually work.

> > 5.  Multi-Player.  So many problems here, I won't go in to them all.
> Some
> > of it Papyrus can't fix, like bone-head drivers, bad connections,
> etc...
> > But, there should be SOME way for the system to keep track of race
> hosts
> > that cancel races before they are done, and if it reaches a certain
> > threshhold, that person cannot start any races for a certain period
> of time.
> > I am SO tired of race hosts getting damaged, and then "taking their
> ball and
> > going home" by canceling the race in mid-race.  Multi-Player won't
> be
> > useable until we have dedicated servers again, like we did with
> NROS.
> > Period.  Yes, I know about the beta...  I'm not convinced it is the
> answer,
> > though.  DEDICATED servers like TEN are the answer, and that's what
> we
> > really need to push for.

> > 6.  Force Feedback.  I know that some here think it's great.  I
> think it
> > sucks.  I find it very unrealistic and to me it does nothing but
> slow down
> > my reaction time because of the excessive latency it adds.

> > 7.  Did I mention the kamakazi AI?

> > 8.  Run races without yellow flags offlline?  Not if you want to
> finish a
> > race without the track being blocked permanently.  This seems to be
> the
> > worst at Bristol.  Have a big pile-up without yellows on, and the
> wrecked
> > cars, dozens of them, will just sit in the middle of the track and
> go no
> > where.  This is a new problem with N3.

> > There's a lot more, and I'm sure that most of this has already been
> > mentioned, but I had to put my 2 cents worth in.

> > And, no.  While I do play GPL, I don't think it's the Messia of
> Racing Sims,
> > so don't even go there...

> > Thany you :)

> > -Larry

> If you think N3 is crap, donate your copy to someone who will enjoy it
> and
> go back to GPL.

> Many of us don't think it's crap, we understand that it doesn't have
> the GPL
> engine, and we knew this before we bought it.

> We enjoy Nascar racing, and currently N3 is the best in the business.

> Personally, I like the vastly improved graphics and graphics
> performance,
> the improved AI, and the slightly improved physics.  I think it was
> worth
> every penny I paid for it.

> Papy has done an amazing job here.  They really have.

> I guess you missed:

> 1.  The highly upraded, and much smarter, AI.
> 2.  The vastly improved sounds.
> 3.  Graphics that the older versions can't compare to.
> 4.  Video performance that completely blows away the previous
> versions.
> 5.  Online play that, while certainly not TEN quality, is very well
> integrated and easy to use.

> IMHO, Nascar Racing 3 is the _first_ upgraded release of the series
> since
> the first N2 that can truly be called an upgrade.  This is no whimpy
> Nascar
> 1999.   This is an honest-to-goodness upgrade that improves nearly
> every
> facet of the simulation.

> Graphics
> ---------
> I simply have to start here.  This version brings Nascar Revolution
> Eye-Candy, without the down-side.  There simply is NO down-side.

> I have every single option turned on and set to it's highest setting.
> 1024X768.  16 Bit Color.  Full 40 car field, with all cars visible
> front and
> back.  All sounds set to their best quality.  All textures on.  Full
> track
> visibility.  Absolutely everything turned on at it's highest setting.

> I had absolutely no frame-rate problems at all.  Most amazing, I had
> NO
> popup's at all.  Not at any track I tested, including Talladega and
> Bristol,
> the two worst tracks for this sort of thing.

> The translucent smoke and persistant skid-marks are really cool.  Even
> more
> important, I had no frame-rate 'clogs' during periods of heavy smoke.

> The realism of the smoke and skids is really something.  If you get
> behind
> someone with a smoking tire or engine, it actually hinders your
> visibility
> just like it should.  If there is a big pile-up, you drive into a
> blinding
> floating cloud of smoke, just like you should.

> I cannot overstate how impressed I am with the quality, realism, and
> performance of the graphics.  Papy has done what is seemingly
> impossible
> here.

> Personally, I think this is the simulation that future games will be
> measured against when it comes to graphics quality, realism and most
> importantly performance.

> I can deal with the 2D Cockpit.  It is such a huge improvement over
> N2/99
> that I don't care there aren't shadows on the gauges from the needles.
> Even
> the mirrors work right now!  Finally :)

> Mental note - I'm a registered NRHQ user... Must check the web site
> for an
> update that works with N3.

> Physics
> -------
> No bones about it.  There is a huge improvement here as well.  While
> it is
> the N2 engine, it is not the _same_ N2 engine.  The handling of the
> car is
> much more realistic to me.  Changes in setup work like you think they
> will
> (finally).

> A couple of things I notice that I've never seen before.  First, if
> you tap
> a car in the rear quarter, you aren't automatically spun out like you
> tended
> to be in N2.  N2 would snap-spin you in a heartbeat.  N3 will make
> your car
> react much like you would expect it to.  Anything from a mild bobble,
> to a
> full spin.

> Speaking of bobble's, the car's do it now.  Instead of just 'wiggling'
> when
> you tap them, you can see realistic body roll along with the wiggle.

> Secondly, it's interesting to watch the relationship of the cars
> compared to
> the painted lines on the track.  If a car is loose, you can actually
> _see_
> that it is loose.  The rear of the car will visibly be drifted out
> further
> from the line than the front of the car.  The little whif of smoke you
> see
> from tires is a good indication as well :)  In N2/99, the cars were
> always
> square to the line as they went around the track, whether they were
> loose or
> not.

> There was more attention to detail here than I expected, and I think
> most
> will be very happy with the improvements in the physics.

> Oh, the realistic 'tire hop' when accellerating from a stand-still and
> spinning the tires is pretty cool too :)

> AI
> --
> Wow!

> For the first time, it feels like you are actually racing skilled
> drivers
> instead of brain-dead robots!  It's funny, but Dale Earnhardt did a
> tap-and-pass on me at Bristol in one race.  LOL :)

> The drivers draft properly.  They will take advantage of _any_
> mis-step you
> have.  They don't come down on you in the corners like they did in
> NR1999.
> This was actually quite horrible in NR1999.  Even worse than N2, IMHO.
> This
> has been nearly completely corrected in N3.

> I actually did some FOUR wide racing at Talladega.  As long as _you_
> are up
> to it, _they_ are up to it.  These guys really race with some good old
> fashioned common sense now.  Well, most of the time. I did have one
> bone-head at Dega come from the outer lane and swerve down in front of
> me to
> enter the pits.  It happens in real racing, so I guess it's part of
> the deal
> :)

> I could swear I got bump-drafted once at Dega...

> Sound
> ------
> I don't have 3D sound, but the sounds in N3 are much, much improved.
> It
> actually sounds like a race car now.  Tire squeel, impacts, etc... all
> sound
> much like the real thing now.  You can actually hear squeel's leading
> up to
> impacts :)

> Installation, etc...
> -----------------
> No issues here.

> It plays without the CD!!!

> Interface
> ---------
> Plenty familiar, but improved.  I like it.

> Force-Feedback
> -----------------
> It feels a little weak to me.  However, I suspect there is a setting
> buried
> somewhere that will eventually be uncovered to tweak this.

> Why don't game manufacturer's supply customized profile files for the
> most
> popular wheels/joysticks, such as the MSFFW and others?

> Other than the somewhat-weak Force-Feedback, I find it hard to
> complain
> about this game.  It is the _first_ Nxxx upgrade since the original N2
> that
> I feel good about paying for.

> "Larry" <NoJunkM...@MyHouse.Com> wrote in message
> news:ynSZ3.135$4F5.6862@typhoon.southeast.rr.com...
> > This may ruffle some feathers here, but...

> > At this point, I find Nascar Racing 3 not only completely
> un-enjoyable at
> > this point, but borderline defective.

> > At first, I was enamored at the nice graphics, smoke, slight physics
> > improvements, etc...  But, after playing it for a few months, I am
> > thoroughly disappointed.  The honeymoon is over.

> > N3 has so many problems I don't even know where to start.

> > 1.  The AI is incredibly stupid.  It seems smart at first, but after
> so
> > getting wrecked out so many times by cars just swerving down from
> the top
> > grove right in to you, slamming on brakes for no reason whatsoever,
> etc... I
> > am no longer impressed by the AI.

> > 2.  Graphics stutter in the corners.  A PC with 128MB RAM, a TNT2
> Card, and
> > a 450Mhz processor should not be seeing this.

> > 3.  Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.  Except in Nascar
> Racing 3.
> > What _is_ it with that car wobble?

> > 4.  Double-File restarts don't work.  I have YET to see double file
> restarts
> > actually work.

> > 5.  Multi-Player.  So many problems here, I won't go in to them all.
> Some
> > of it Papyrus can't fix, like bone-head drivers, bad connections,
> etc...
> > But, there should be SOME way for the system to keep track of race
> hosts
> > that cancel races before they are done, and if it reaches a certain
> > threshhold, that person cannot start any races for a certain period
> of time.
> > I am SO tired of race hosts getting damaged, and then "taking their
> ball and
> > going home" by canceling the race in mid-race.  Multi-Player won't
> be
> > useable until we have dedicated servers again, like we did with
> NROS.
> > Period.  Yes, I know about the beta...  I'm not convinced it is the
> answer,
> > though.  DEDICATED servers like TEN are the answer, and that's what
> we
> > really need to push for.

> > 6.  Force Feedback.  I know that some here think it's great.  I
> think it
> > sucks.  I find it very unrealistic and to me it does nothing but
> slow down
> > my reaction time because of the excessive latency it adds.

> > 7.  Did I mention the kamakazi AI?

> > 8.  Run races without yellow flags offlline?  Not if you want to
> finish a
> > race without the track being blocked permanently.  This seems to be
> the
> > worst at Bristol.  Have a big pile-up without yellows on, and the
> wrecked
> > cars, dozens of them, will just sit in the middle of the track and
> go no
> > where.  This is a new problem with N3.

> > There's a lot more, and I'm sure that most of this has already been
> > mentioned, but I had to put my 2 cents worth in.

> > And, no.  While I do play GPL, I don't think it's the Messia of
> Racing Sims,
> > so don't even go there...

> > Thany you :)

> > -Larry

> > At this point, I find Nascar Racing 3 not only completely
> un-enjoyable at
> > this point, but borderline defective.

> > At first, I was enamored at the nice graphics, smoke, slight physics
> > improvements, etc...  But, after playing it for a few months, I am
> > thoroughly disappointed.  The honeymoon is over.

> > N3 has so many problems I don't even know where to start.

> > 1.  The AI is incredibly stupid.  It seems smart at first, but after
> so
> > getting wrecked out so many times by cars just swerving down from
> the top
> > grove right in to you, slamming on brakes for no reason whatsoever,
> etc... I
> > am no longer impressed by the AI.

> > 2.  Graphics stutter in the corners.  A PC with 128MB RAM, a TNT2
> Card, and
> > a 450Mhz processor should not be seeing this.

> > 3.  Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.  Except in Nascar
> Racing 3.
> > What _is_ it with that car wobble?

> > 4.  Double-File restarts don't work.  I have YET to see double file
> restarts
> > actually work.

> > 5.  Multi-Player.  So many problems here, I won't go in to them all.
> Some
> > of it Papyrus can't fix, like bone-head drivers, bad connections,
> etc...
> > But, there should be SOME way for the system to keep track of race
> hosts
> > that cancel races before they are done, and if it reaches a certain
> > threshhold, that person cannot start any races for a certain period
> of time.
> > I am SO tired of race hosts getting damaged, and then "taking their
> ball and
> > going home" by canceling the race in mid-race.  Multi-Player won't
> be
> > useable until we have dedicated servers again, like we did with
> NROS.
> > Period.  Yes, I know about the beta...  I'm not convinced it is the
> answer,
> > though.  DEDICATED servers like TEN are the answer, and that's what
> we
> > really need to push for.

> > 6.  Force Feedback.  I know that some here think it's great.  I
> think it
> > sucks.  I find it very unrealistic and to me it does nothing but
> slow down
> > my reaction time because of the excessive latency it adds.

> > 7.  Did I mention the kamakazi AI?

> > 8.  Run races without yellow flags offlline?  Not if you want to
> finish a
> > race without the track being blocked permanently.  This seems to be
> the
> > worst at Bristol.  Have a big pile-up without yellows on, and the
> wrecked
> > cars, dozens of them, will just sit in the middle of the track and
> go no
> > where.  This is a new problem with N3.

> > There's a lot more, and I'm sure that most of this has already been
> > mentioned, but I had to put my 2 cents worth in.

> > And, no.  While I do play GPL, I don't think it's the Messia of
> Racing Sims,
> > so don't even go there...

> > Thany you :)

> > -Larry